Off Topic The Politics Thread

[qprbeth]

Really dumb question.

The British people are clamouring to take Ukraine families from a devastating war and genocide.

Many immigrants are from Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia...who are trying to escape from war and genocide

What is the difference.
Can we send the Ukrainians to Rwanda too



Don't know much about Rwanda other than we didn't like them much due to their bloody genocide between the tsusti and hutus

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Really dumb question.

The British people are clamouring to take Ukraine families from a devastating war and genocide.

Many immigrants are from Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia...who are trying to escape from war and genocide

What is the difference.
Can we send the Ukrainians to Rwanda too



Don't know much about Rwanda other than we didn't like them much due to their bloody genocide between the tsusti and hutus

Rwanda is Westernised now, at least by African standards. Has a majority of women in its parliament apparently.

Only young single male Ukranians could be sent there. And since they are all fighting for their country after sending wives, children etc to safety, the question is unlikely to arise.

 

[qprbeth]

According to Human Rights Watch Rwandan "continues to target those perceived as a threat to government".

It adds: "Arbitrary detention, ill-treatment, and torture in official and unofficial detention facilities is commonplace."

Not my sort of place

 

[Staines R's]

Since we cannot take every refugee that wants to come to the UK - there are potentially millions on the move from Africa - we can decide who we want to take, and I'd say those from Eastern Europe, from the Far East and Central and South Africa should head the queue from a security point of view.

The Gulf States take almost no refugees. Let them take them from neighbouring countries. Let them deal with next Islamic State.

For me, if there is a section of society that is consistently producing mass murderers of innocents including children, be it first or second generation, then other nationalities go to the front of the queue for taking as refugees, based purely on security issues.

That doesn’t have anything to do with your two posts that blatantly said different things, concerning potential threat coming from either first or second generation immigrants…..you switched from one to the other

 

[Staines R's]

The Irish immigrants that came into the UK during the height of the Troubles were vetted and surveilled heavily. Had Ireland been situated in the Middle East at the time, I'm damn sure we would have had fewer Irish immigrants.

As it was, of course, Ireland had special status having been part of the UK until its Independence

You’re digging a deeper hole mate

 

[Staines R's]

Really dumb question.

The British people are clamouring to take Ukraine families from a devastating war and genocide.

Many immigrants are from Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia...who are trying to escape from war and genocide

What is the difference.
Can we send the Ukrainians to Rwanda too



Don't know much about Rwanda other than we didn't like them much due to their bloody genocide between the tsusti and hutus

Now you’re at it with the blatant racism Beth……****in’ hell, this place is awash with it.

 

[sb_73]

Really dumb question.

The British people are clamouring to take Ukraine families from a devastating war and genocide.

Many immigrants are from Afghanistan, Sudan, Ethiopia...who are trying to escape from war and genocide

What is the difference.
Can we send the Ukrainians to Rwanda too



Don't know much about Rwanda other than we didn't like them much due to their bloody genocide between the tsusti and hutus

Stainsey will remind you of the difference, and it’s definitely about colour, culture and religion. Pretty undeniably. As I suspect you know.

Rwanda has a **** record still, it has 128,000 Africans from other neighbouring countries detained in camps, and has taken $ from Israel and Denmark (that shining light of European liberalism - target zero refugees) for taking their refugees in a similar deal. The majority abscond very quickly, make their way back to Libya and try again….

 

[Staines R's]

Stainsey will remind you of the difference, and it’s definitely about colour, culture and religion. Pretty undeniably. As I suspect you know.

Rwanda has a **** record still, it has 128,000 Africans from other neighbouring countries detained in camps, and has taken $ from Israel and Denmark (that shining light of European liberalism - target zero refugees) for taking their refugees in a similar deal. The majority abscond very quickly, make their way back to Libya and try again….

Hotel Rwanda was a great film…….until you realise it’s total made up bollox (allegedly) and the “hero” wasn’t quite the hero that he was made out to be.
Unlike Hollywood to get it wrong

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

That doesn’t have anything to do with your two posts that blatantly said different things, concerning potential threat coming from either first or second generation immigrants…..you switched from one to the other

Have a look at the atrocities committed by Islamic militants in the UK. By and large they are second generation. Do you dispute that?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

You’re digging a deeper hole mate

I didn't raise the Irish question. The principle will always be that if a part of the world offers danger to UK citizens when its nationals come here, then there will be a move by the authorities to restrict immigration from that part of the world. It's about security and proper integration which in the case of some Middle Eastern and North African immigrants may take generations.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Now you’re at it with the blatant racism Beth……****in’ hell, this place is awash with it.

Suggest you call your friendly human rights lawyer

 

[sb_73]

I didn't raise the Irish question. The principle will always be that if a part of the world offers danger to UK citizens when its nationals come here, then there will be a move by the authorities to restrict immigration from that part of the world. It's about security and proper integration which in the case of some Middle Eastern and North African immigrants may take generations.

I’ve asked before, but I’ll ask again - how many generations?

So far I’ve tracked my family (male line) back to the early 1700s, all Londoners (Clerkenwell/Little Britain to be specific) but I have a feeling that we might have been from Huguenot stock originally. Do I have to report myself to Prevent?

A few years ago it was Romanians and Bulgarians we had to be scared of, it’s really refreshing that we can now welcome with open arms people from even further East. As long as they aren’t Muslim of course. And are blond. And mainly women.

 

[Steelmonkey]

Have a look at the atrocities committed by Islamic militants in the UK. By and large they are second generation. Do you dispute that?

Again, how does that stack up with you stating that Syrian refugees want to "stab and bomb" us all? You're all over the place tonight

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

I’ve asked before, but I’ll ask again - how many generations?

So far I’ve tracked my family (male line) back to the early 1700s, all Londoners (Clerkenwell/Little Britain to be specific) but I have a feeling that we might have been from Huguenot stock originally. Do I have to report myself to Prevent?

A few years ago it was Romanians and Bulgarians we had to be scared of, it’s really refreshing that we can now welcome with open arms people from even further East. As long as they aren’t Muslim of course. And are blond. And mainly women.

As many generations as it takes re these nationals until children's pop concerts and tube trains and buses aren't bombed, MP's aren't stabbed, taxis don't explode, residents and tourists aren't put to the sword etc...

It's flippant to say there was the same fear of Romanians as there is of militant Islamists, Stan, be they part of a cell, sleepers or acting from individual beliefs.

My big fear is that another MP will be murdered by these people. Suppose it was Starmer or Rayner. Do we just say, carry on as before? When does it adversely affect the nature of our democracy. So, yes, I'd prefer other refugees not these until the threat has finally expired.

 

[Steelmonkey]

The Irish immigrants that came into the UK during the height of the Troubles were vetted and surveilled heavily. Had Ireland been situated in the Middle East at the time, I'm damn sure we would have had fewer Irish immigrants.

As it was, of course, Ireland had special status having been part of the UK until its Independence

How can you vet a UK national from moving from one part of the UK (Northern Ireland) to another part of the UK (England). What a load of tosh.

Heavily surveilled? Bit like the jihadists of today? Didn't stop them committing multiple atrocities around the country, especially London, or stop the tins rattling in the pubs of Kilburn, attempting to kill the Prime Minister on more than one occasion.

 

[rangercol]

I think someone said a page or two ago that immigration can't be debated without accusations of racism.......

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Again, how does that stack up with you stating that Syrian refugees want to "stab and bomb" us all? You're all over the place tonight

No, I'm saying why take in what could cause mortal problems in the future (and already has) when we can choose other refugees that don't have an inherent threat and danger?

 

[bobmid]

As many generations as it takes re these nationals until children's pop concerts and tube trains and buses aren't bombed, MP's aren't stabbed, taxis don't explode, residents and tourists aren't put to the sword etc...

It's flippant to say there was the same fear of Romanians as there is of militant Islamists, Stan, be they part of a cell, sleepers or acting from individual beliefs.

My big fear is that another MP will be murdered by these people. Suppose it was Starmer or Rayner. Do we just say, carry on as before? When does it adversely affect the nature of our democracy. So, yes, I'd prefer other refugees not these until the threat has finally expired.

People get stabbed, shot and killed on a daily basis in this country Goldy, from all different backgrounds!.only yesterday a man killed by youths in leeds. All white males.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

How can you vet a UK national from moving from one part of the UK (Northern Ireland) to another part of the UK (England). What a load of tosh.

Heavily surveilled? Bit like the jihadists of today? Didn't stop them committing multiple atrocities around the country, especially London, or stop the tins rattling in the pubs of Kilburn, attempting to kill the Prime Minister on more than one occasion.

Not all the terrorists were coming from Northern Ireland. The IRA had a big presence in the Republic of Ireland.

The fact that some attacks in England were not foiled does not mean there was not heavy surveillance. Where's your logic? The IRA used to say the security services had to be lucky all the time, the IRA only had to be lucky once.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

People get stabbed, shot and killed on a daily basis in this country Goldy, from all different backgrounds!.only yesterday a man killed by youths in leeds. All white males.

Sure, Bob, there is everyday crime. But the attacks by Islamic militants are on another scale. Ask one of the parents of the children butchered at the Manchester Arena.