Though I agree that football fans are unfairly targeted, in this case the story is being driven by the club, rather than the HDM.
Fan Behaviour Could Lead to Heavy Punishments
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Though I agree that football fans are unfairly targeted, in this case the story is being driven by the club, rather than the HDM.
Front page, and pages four and five. Oh, and the cheeky bastards have upped the price to £1!
For anybody who wants the legislative background to all this, google Football Supporters Act. Download it, read it, and weep.
Society has adopted the "please don't do that" approach, and tut tuts. That Act is the *%$$^%^&**** big cosh they smash you over the head with. The steel toe capped boot to the nethers. It is a "No" and they mean it. No second warning, no three strikes and you're out. Bosh.
You are guilty as charged, you were at a game of football. Name any other groups of people who congregate anywhere or for whatever reason subject to such brutal legislation. How do you educate people, inform them, these are the consequences? Outside a football ground, you can throw bricks and bottles around in the street, throw a few punches, get drunk and act daft with impunity. How do you say to people at a game, there is no impunity, no excuses, simply, Bosh?
The cruellest part for me is the club being fined or other sanctions. Why are they all of a sudden the custodians, the last refuge of decent behaviour?
Society has adopted the "please don't do that" approach, and tut tuts. That Act is the *%$$^%^&**** big cosh they smash you over the head with. The steel toe capped boot to the nethers. It is a "No" and they mean it. No second warning, no three strikes and you're out. Bosh.
You are guilty as charged, you were at a game of football. Name any other groups of people who congregate anywhere or for whatever reason subject to such brutal legislation. How do you educate people, inform them, these are the consequences? Outside a football ground, you can throw bricks and bottles around in the street, throw a few punches, get drunk and act daft with impunity. How do you say to people at a game, there is no impunity, no excuses, simply, Bosh?
The cruellest part for me is the club being fined or other sanctions. Why are they all of a sudden the custodians, the last refuge of decent behaviour?
This.
A few seem to be totally missing the point, and instead jumping on their usual hobby horses (which tbf do carry truth).
It's as simple as pitch invasions and chucking stuff on the pitch has to stop. We can't have our owners paying big fines and risk having to play behind closed doors or worse.
You don't even have to be at a game. Punishments are increased for behaviour in other places if it can be deemed as football related.
Is one child encroaching onto the playing area really an 'invasion'?
Semantics.
It's not 'one child', it appears to be a trend that has to stop (for the reasons THE CLUB give).
Call it what you want.
It's context rather than semantics. It's emotive phrases like that that create totally the wrong image that can have a detrimental effect on the club and attendances.
What's detrimental for the club is paying large fines and having to play games behind closed doors.
It's common language often used e.g. on telly, various sports " .... oh dear, we have a pitch invader".
Back to the actual point, if it's stopped, as THE CLUB are pleading for, we don't have any image or detrimental effect on the club and attendances.
Why not just focus on the actual issue at hand and support what the CLUB is rightly asking for, rather than complicate, muddy, distract from the actual point ?
exactly….what was the “risk”, totally disproportionate response, as usual
Whether you think the acts themselves are high, low or no risk is totally irrelevant.
The risk is big fines, playing behind closed doors or worse.
It really is as simple as that.
All pitch invaders should be locked up, unless they look like Erika Roe did...
If there is a rule in place and a punishment is threatened, you can't then complain that a punishment is doled out when the rule is broken. You know the consequences before you commit the act.
or another spin…. A young fan waited for a break in play, to come to the edge of the pitch to approach a player for an autograph….
everyone is getting their knickers in a twist over a non event. You would think 10 people died in the stands due to fan violence based upon some of the bollocks posted on here
.... it would be ok if it was just the person who got punished, but it isn't, it's our club and the person.
It's not about whether or not we like it, whether we think it's OTT, etc, its', as you say, just how it currently is. That's why the CLUB is asking for it to stop and we as fans surely should do nothing but support the request 100%.
Your's is 'spin', mine are just the facts. Whether you like the facts or not is totally irrelevant.
Utter blown up bollocks that.
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Yeah sorry I'm countering the complaints about the response to rules being broken.