Yes - Tuchel, Most likely - ten Hag Dreamland - Nagelsmann No - Poch, Mancini, Won't happen - Enrique
Nagelsmann is practically impossible! Why would he ever leave Bayern and come to a club with no structure. I read the other day somewhere that he’s likely to fall into the hands of Liverpool or City with the timing of when the positions are likely to be available there. That p!sses me off!
Here's what I don't get - the manager/coach seems to be the single most critical factor in the modern game and while we wouldn't blink at paying £80m for some superstar player, we seem reluctant to spend that same sort of money on prising away the best managerial/coaching talent from the top clubs - why is that?
They don't want to spend that or give the same monstrous salaries and contract because the buck stops with them. They are the man to blame. It's not as bad as it was if course. Managers used to be out on their ears with **** all compensation. They idea that they often get their contracts fully paid up now, when they've very often deserved the sack for failing in their job, is a bit weird on times. But then, they also often don't deserve the sack.
Pogba has been talking smack again about playing for France being breathe of fresh air. Similar to Shaw suggestion that he felt wanted by England. I really can’t believe how idiotic these players are. It is beyond reprehensible! On topic of next manager, we need to dismantle this team full of entitled fkers that never quite understand that they are fundamentally part of the problem. I think someone mentioned in a post above that given we are likely not going to be playing in the Champions League next season, it would be good time to say good radiance to a lot of the first team players and bring in the youth from the U23 team. I will be very satisfied to watch players that are grateful to be here to represent the club.
Yeh but that's all you've got and it's a bit of a lazy argument. The fact is they're still going to win the league and they've been bottling the CL well before Poch arrived. Now let's look at the rest of the comparisons between clubs. PSG is a club with "new money" and since then all it's had is short term goals. We don't. They employ the best managers and still boot them out regardless of their successes. We don't. The irony of some of you wanting Tuchel when he was sacked by PSG after 2 league and cup doubles or Ancelotti who won the league, seems to be lost on here. Do you think we as a club would do the same? They have ONE regular first team player who's come through their academy, the rest have all been bought. We don't. The problems with the squad we have is something temporary. As a club we give managers time to bring through, and bring in, the players they wants so I really don't get what the current players have to do with anything. Whatever our problems are, our identity as a club is nothing like PSG's. Tbph to compare us to them is a fcking insult quite frankly.
I don’t think anyone is talking about spend or overall club structure. What I’m talking about is the culture of overpaid primadonnas in the first team. That is clearly evident in the team and has been for years. Neymar is analogous to Pogba for starters. I also don’t think it counts to win the French League. It’s been a near guarantee with their vast resources versus anyone else in the league. We don’t have that monopoly here. So success is going to be harder to come by. On Tuchel, I’m for him based on his strong character. And things being equal, he knows how to play his team to their strengths. They are certainly not lighting the league on fire, but they are not a joke team either. They are functional and I think that’s Tuchel’s blueprint. I can see him building on that to take the team forward.
Whether you want him in or not, the club need to be following due diligence in this, and he remains a genuine candidate. This is surely better than the usual MO of giving it to the nearest unemployed bloke.
Agreed, and I also think it says a lot for the status of the club within the game in Europe that top managers are subjecting themselves to being interviewed in order to demonstrate their suitability for the role - not many clubs could get away with that.
But then again, I’ve never heard of any club interviewing managers so publicly. I don’t know if that’s a good thing. It almost becomes appointment by the media.
Every team has got prima Donnas and it’s up to the manager to deal with it. A lot of the time is luck. How the issue is resolved. If a player causes trouble or is completely unwanted, it’s resolved easily if another club can take him. Otherwise it’s a massive problem. Arteta got lucky with Aubameyang but not Nunez with Kane. Nor managers of Real Madrid and Barcelona who wanted to get rid of their very very expensive prima Donnas. Utd are as bad as every top club in having unwanted players or players running down their contracts.
Just read that Van Gaal has advised Ten Haag not to take the Utd manager post as “Utd is a commercial club not a proper football club”. He thinks that for the sake of his career he should consider going to a proper “football club”.
Except Diego quoted me saying this about what Balague had said about PSG... It was interesting the insight he was giving about the problems inside the club, driven by a short term mentality, and the players. Diego said, does it remind you of any other club? And you said he took the words right of your mouth Well no it doesn't remind me of United. The point Balague was making was the whole club is riddled with problems (as stated above certainly not the ones we have) and that has an impact on the players in terms of the ethos within it and that includes how they respond to the manager.
Yeah, well he would, wouldn't he. He's also got a point. Difference being that the man who sacked him, Woodward, won't be around for Ten Hag.
Btw I'm not advocating we go for Poch and yes he's underachieved at PSG imo, but there's bigger factors at that club which have hindered him. In hindsight he was completely the wrong fit for PSG. A manager who usually take a good 3 seasons to develop a side and playing style, going into a club that wants instant success mostly centred around winning the CL. That also isnt us btw.
And those wanting Tuchel should be cautious. If you're looking at Poch's record, have a look at his as well, and the time he's spent at the last 3 clubs. I have my reservations about both. Tbh I'd like a manager who HASN'T managed another PL side.
in reality whoever we end up with, it will be like drawing lots. Because none of the candidates have remotely any experience of the pressure of managing a club like Utd. I just don’t mean the size or global popularity but the scrutiny and flack that are thrown by the media, press or social media including ex pros after each setback.
