Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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sb_73 said:
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
https://www.roomforrefugees.com/about-us/our-impact/

It’s pretty low level but there has been some activity of this type, refugee hosting, for many years, so I imagine that some Somalis and Syrians, and hopefully some Afghans, have been offered shelter.

I think you’ve made your point, and I’m not going to dispute it. There does seem to be a different attitude, and Strolls has highlighted some of the potential reasons. However, I hope you are not implying that we should not help the Ukrainian refugees because we didn’t help those from other places. I don’t think you are.

There are a couple of material differences which we should recognise. In a humanitarian disaster of huge scale, 6.6 million Syrians have fled their country since 2011 - most live in Turkey and Lebanon now, but Germany has taken over 800,000. 2015-16 were the peak years.

3 million Ukrainians, nearly all women, children and the elderly, have fled their country in 3 weeks. 1.6 million of them are in Poland. The scale of the Syrian diaspora was huge, this is much bigger, and much faster, up to ten million expected to leave if the current situation continues. Nearly all men of fighting age (which seems to start young and end quite old in Ukraine) have stayed to fight.

I think this country failed, compared to others, in its response to earlier refugee crises, most recently Afghanistan. I’m glad we seem to be stepping up, as a people rather than as a government, to this one rather more boldly. Even if we are all racists.
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The are plenty of people of colour and different religions in Ukraine, They are not all Aryan looking. At the end of the day they are human beings and are in need of help. People need to stop looking for angles in this. This country has helped out many people from many places.
 
sb_73 said:
https://www.refugeesathome.org/
https://www.roomforrefugees.com/about-us/our-impact/

It’s pretty low level but there has been some activity of this type, refugee hosting, for many years, so I imagine that some Somalis and Syrians, and hopefully some Afghans, have been offered shelter.

I think you’ve made your point, and I’m not going to dispute it. There does seem to be a different attitude, and Strolls has highlighted some of the potential reasons. However, I hope you are not implying that we should not help the Ukrainian refugees because we didn’t help those from other places. I don’t think you are.

There are a couple of material differences which we should recognise. In a humanitarian disaster of huge scale, 6.6 million Syrians have fled their country since 2011 - most live in Turkey and Lebanon now, but Germany has taken over 800,000. 2015-16 were the peak years.

3 million Ukrainians, nearly all women, children and the elderly, have fled their country in 3 weeks. 1.6 million of them are in Poland. The scale of the Syrian diaspora was huge, this is much bigger, and much faster, up to ten million expected to leave if the current situation continues. Nearly all men of fighting age (which seems to start young and end quite old in Ukraine) have stayed to fight.

I think this country failed, compared to others, in its response to earlier refugee crises, most recently Afghanistan. I’m glad we seem to be stepping up, as a people rather than as a government, to this one rather more boldly. Even if we are all racists.
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ELLERS said:
The are plenty of people of colour and different religions in Ukraine, They are not all Aryan looking. At the end of the day they are human beings and are in need of help. People need to stop looking for angles in this. This country has helped out many people from many places.
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How are they different from those risking their lives trying to get here in small boats, then? They're in need of help, too. I applaud you and your wife for volunteering Ellers, I'm just trying to understand why people in this country seem to have different attitudes to the two groups of people.

I hope you'll keep us informed as to how your application progresses. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that it could be months before you're able to welcome anyone into your home, if at all.
 
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Stroller said:
How are they different to those risking their lives trying to get here in small boats, then? They're in need of help, too. I applaud you and your wife for volunteering Ellers, I'm just trying to understand why people in this country seem to have different attitudes to the two groups of people.

I hope you'll keep us informed as to how your application progresses. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that it could be months before you're able to welcome anyone into your home, if at all.
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I don’t want to get into the debate of why one group of people and not another. It’s not important now.
Of course I will keep you all posted and if all goes well I will post pictures ( if okay), however I do agree with your points that this could take sometime. We could be ready in a week but it may not be as simple as that. Our government has been slow to act but they seem to be moving faster now. :emoticon-0148-yes:
 
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@Quite Possibly Raving have you read Finkelstein’s column today? Interested in your views. He seems to be saying it’s great that we have made London a haven for corruptly stolen Russian money because now we have something to hit Putin with.
 
sb_73 said:
@Quite Possibly Raving have you read Finkelstein’s column today? Interested in your views. He seems to be saying it’s great that we have made London a haven for corruptly stolen Russian money because now we have something to hit Putin with.
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I saw Rees-Mogg doing the rounds the other day glorying in the fact that Britain had frozen more Russian assets than anyone else. The fact that this was only possible because we were home for all their dirty money in the first place seemed to have escaped him.
 
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Stroller said:
He doesn't appear to have a Wiki page. Might you have misspelt his surname?
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He’s a modern day Tory Boy quite active on Twitter. Yesterday evening he was arguing that sending unsolicited pictures of one’s privates shouldn’t be a crime and that the ‘dating’ websites he frequents are full of such images by way of initial introduction to other parties.
 
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