Off Topic Politics Thread

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For those interested this is the city my GF's family are 30km away from:

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Its been under siege since the start of the war and they have heard on and off shelling and sirens. But other than blowing up a couple of schools and killing children, the Russians don't seem to have made much progress as far as they can tell.

The Ukrainian army has blown the bridge between them and the city.

Sincere best wishes VM, I can only guess how you are both feeling at the moment.
 
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Speaking of old Joe. People should really read up about Holodomor if they want to understand the depth of feeling of Ukrainians against Soviet Russia...

7-10 MILLION dead.


Stalin - who was Georgian for what that's worth - was responsible for more deaths of Soviet citizens than Hitler was.

Regarding Putin, his recent actions have probably done more to cement the idea of Ukraine as a distinct nation independent of Russia, than anything Ukrainian nationalism alone could have achieved. However this tragedy ends, it appears he's driven Ukrainian sentiment and identity further away from Russia than it's ever been.
 
The EU is sending a combined €500 million worth of military aid. €100m of that is from Germany, which represents almost double their entire defence budget.
The EU has prevented Russia Today broadcasting in any of the member states. The UK? Oh, Nadine Dorries has asked OFCOM to review the RT licence.

I’m not trying to knock our own efforts, but it’s hard to argue that Britain is taking a leading role, as our government keeps telling us.
UK seen as reluctant to commit at the same level as the EU but most realise it's the government not the people. Johnson, Truss & Co regarded as a comic turn.
 
I think some of the stuff on here by some of the usual political point scoring suspects is nothing short of a ****ing disgrace, made me sick to my stomach. Posting **** memes about Meerkats plus poking fun at other stuff to get little digs at the Tories - he should hang his head in shame at the least.

****ing rat, not a badger.

Disagree with someone by all means. But don't lower yourself to insults.
 
I wonder if this war will leave more people regretting voting for Brexit. EU seems to be really stepping up this week.

I think this crisis is a real test to see if our new sovereignty helps or hinders us.
It might do but it is irrelevant really. It has gone through now and they won’t be back tracking on it
 
I wonder if this war will leave more people regretting voting for Brexit. EU seems to be really stepping up this week.

I think this crisis is a real test to see if our new sovereignty helps or hinders us.
Could be with UK out decisions are easier to come to agreement on.
 
:emoticon-0113-sleep What a loaded load of bollocks, then again posted by Jabbo, not surprising.
And yet - the extent of your challenge to this is “that’s bollocks”. No hint of an explanation as to why that is in your opinion

As it stands the EU appear to have imposed stricter measures that the U.K.

Based on that it is not unreasonable (and certainly not “bollocks”) to at least suggest that if the U.K. was still in the block, especially lead by a party that is heavily funded by the oligarchs, that they might have tried to water down the measures

And that is financial. It is pretty obvious that on a humanitarian level (which I believe you were attacking people for not caring about not to long ago) we have fallen woefully short of the EU. So I sense at least a slight inconsistency

Now I could be missing things that we have done that are over and above what the EU have done and would welcome to have that pointed out
 
For the club level that only effects one at the moment I think

Right decision of course. Soft power is a big thing
 
I wonder if this war will leave more people regretting voting for Brexit. EU seems to be really stepping up this week.

I think this crisis is a real test to see if our new sovereignty helps or hinders us.

Think people unfortunately follow the same lines. The Daily Mails headline on Saturday used the Ukraine conflict to have a pop at the ‘cowardly EU’ for example.

My old man is a Brexiteer and has had a go at this showing how weak the EU is as well.
 
I wonder if this war will leave more people regretting voting for Brexit. EU seems to be really stepping up this week.

I think this crisis is a real test to see if our new sovereignty helps or hinders us.

This is something that crossed my mind too. I have been quite surprised just how wide ranging the hostility towards Russia has been. The only dissenting voice I am aware of has come from Syria which should come as no surprise.