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Chip said:
I would argue since the sacking of LJ its got a whole lot worse, they should have kept him in post until it was ironed out behind the scenes and a replacement was ready waiting in the wings. Mistakes have been made here, they acted too late (should have been out before Christmas) and they didn't prepare to bring a seamless replacement in, now we have a scenario where backroom staff and the DOF are being openly criticised and that could and should have been avoided.
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Yeah, I agree with most of that. The replacement should have been brought in quicker. Can't help but think that chasing Keane has led to that situation though.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
Personally, I think he's the wrong man because he doesn't fit the profile (the profile as I understand it, of course).

If there is internal disagreement over appointing him, it appears that someone at least thinks the same way as me. They need to resolve that quickly but I won't criticise whoever it is for sticking to the plan.

I keep coming back to his comments on ITV that "the contract needs to be right". If he's not happy with some element of that, we need to move. Let's face it, even in League 1, its not going to be peanuts and if he is that keen to return to management, it shouldn't bother him. Roy Keane is not bigger than SAFC. So if that's it, we need it resolved quickly but I won't criticise the club for not being held to ransom by him.

Those seem the most plausible scenarios to me.
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No one knows anything about any negotiations.

The assumption that Keane is somehow holding a gun to the club's head is pure speculation.

It was not Keane who said there would be second interviews - an utterly ludicrous idea anyway if the club were prepared - or him who bangs on about process and models.

I can imagine any interview with Speakman being a long winded affair where he might take ten minutes to say good morning, ( but don't hold him to it though).

No one knows, and if it happens to be that Keane wants the job but only if he is the manager then that seems fair enough to me. Don't ask him if you just want a bloke to ape your meanigless jargon .

There is clearly a role for a DOF kind of individual at a club. But unless you are an experienced hand at it , the role should be limited.

This bloke, from running the youth teams at a smaller club looks to have too much influence. And he's not looking good at using it.
 
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Southern A said:
If the club want keane they haven’t fanned the flames at all. Keane did that with his cheeky smirks on TV. And the journalists and ITKs reporting it was as good as done. (Not blaming them). If none of that had happened the furore would not exist
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The club has a voice, which is heard often enough in the form of the garrulous Speakman. They could have used it anytime they wanted, and they didn't.
 
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rowley said:
No one knows anything about any negotiations.

The assumption that Keane is somehow holding a gun to the club's head is pure speculation.

It was not Keane who said there would be second interviews - an utterly ludicrous idea anyway if the club were prepared - or him who bangs on about process and models.

I can imagine any interview with Speakman being a long winded affair where he might take ten minutes to say good morning, ( but don't hold him to it though).

No one knows, and if it happens to be that Keane wants the job but only if he is the manager then that seems fair enough to me. Don't ask him if you just want a bloke to ape your meanigless jargon .

There is clearly a role for a DOF kind of individual at a club. But unless you are an experienced hand at it , the role should be limited.

This bloke, from running the youth teams at a smaller club looks to have too much influence. And he's not looking good at using it.
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No, no one knows anything about the negotiations. So, yes, the idea that Keane is holding the club to ransom is speculation, although its based on Keane's own statement that "the contract has to be right". Much of your argument appears to be based on your impression of Speakman. But that's also just specualtion based on the fact that he doesn't speak in the usual clichés.
 
Southern A said:
I understand your point. But a chairman who has managed to get promotion out of this league several times with a club that should be nowhere near the championship, suggesting we should appoint the manager who won League One last season, is nowhere near as outrageous as many Sunderland fans would like to think.
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I agree. My point was when you look back, we're small time instead of going for people like you say that have been there a done it. Tbf he won leauge one with a much better squad then ours with a load of Championship players. Norwich do it all the time, Rotherham have managed to keep pretty much last seasons Championship squad.Its a different kettle of fish up here.
 
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The Norton Cat said:
No, no one knows anything about the negotiations. So, yes, the idea that Keane is holding the club to ransom is speculation, although its based on Keane's own statement that "the contract has to be right". Much of your argument appears to be based on your impression of Speakman. But that's also just specualtion based on the fact that he doesn't speak in the usual clichés.
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I’ve dealt with lots of bullshit managers and they all speak like that when they have nothing of substance to them.
 
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Deodoran2 over road saying Speakman digging in heels held up things. Genuine poster, definitely gets info
 
I'm sure it will all work out in the end. It'll. not be long before the new manager is appointed, followed by "It's a massive club" "back where it belongs" "hard work" "honour to be here" "jumped at the chance" sound bites start.

Jokes aside, we'll be OK.

FTM
 
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John Wick said:
I'm sure it will all work out in the end. It'll. not be long before the new manager is appointed, followed by "It's a massive club" "back where it belongs" "hard work" "honour to be here" "jumped at the chance" sound bites start.

Jokes aside, we'll be OK.

FTM
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I remember when Quinn was absolutely managing badly, floundering and things were as bad, if not worse than now ...

... no idea what would've happened to us if Keane hadn't been persuaded to come.
 
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SAFC Wilks said:
FWIW, Keane may not be the best option long term.

However he’s the overwhelming choice from the fan base and if it’s true that Speakman is the obstacle in the way then he’s on a hiding to nothing if it isn’t Keane.

I genuinely fear for Speakman if this goes tits up…
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I love Keane but I've said before I'm not sure he's the right option long term however I honestly believe he's the only option that can salvage anything from this season.
Speakmen talks his **** about data this and data that for coaches aswell as players, so how come if this data is so good at picking out who is going to be the next best coach, everyone they've interviewed is available right now.
Surely it would have picked someone up that we could try to sign from another club.
But no apparently the data shows the best coaches are on the ****ing dole
 
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Woody said:
I can't help but wonder whether the current impasse with appointing a new manager has in fact been confused by Keane throwing his hat in the ring in a way that took the hierarchy by surprise.
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