Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Goldhawk-Road]

What did she lie about? She had three red lines. Designed a system that would adhere to those red lines and people hated it and so kicked her out (even though Boris voted for her deal at the third time of asking). Boris made the same three promises. Completely rolled over on the border down the Irish Sea and yet somehow people loved him for it. One stuck to their word and got punished for it. The other lied his way through the leadership campaign and didn't deliver what he promised.

Her EU Withdrawal Bill offered Parliament a vote on a second referendum to woo a Remain Labour Party under Corbyn. She was dead meat among Tories from then on. Boris came in, said **** Labour Remainers, I'll get Brexit over the line and the UK electorate awarded him with a massive majority.

 

[Hoop-Leif]

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But….Boris had a party

What happened in the video?

Can't see anything

 

[Quite Possibly Raving]

Her EU Withdrawal Bill offered Parliament a vote on a second referendum to woo a Remain Labour Party under Corbyn. She was dead meat among Tories from then on. Boris came in, said **** Labour Remainers, I'll get Brexit over the line and the UK electorate awarded him with a massive majority.

That doesn't contradict what I said, though. May didn't break her word but lacked political dexterity (i.e. wasn't good enough). Boris lied and got rewarded. He immediately broke a key promise and the idea of Brexit being 'done' is laughable if you ask anyone living in N Ireland.

 

[bobmid]

Or just maybe we as a society could concentrate on things that are infinitely more important, like kids killing each other, rather than some posh arrogant twat having a party………just saying.

Why would you expect anyone else to respect the laws and rules of the land whilst those who make them make a mockery of them?

 

[Stroller]

No, he really isn't. For all the schadenfreude that the Remainers are getting from parties and cakes, I'll always be grateful to Boris for seizing the Brexit issue from the hands of a shambolic and shamefully undemocratic parliament under May's watch. I think Boris may go, but consider this. If history seen through the eyes of Tory faithful is that Boris has been hard done by, he may be back after time in the wilderness. I know of no reason why this is impossible.

That would be hilarious.

Anyway, what was undemocratic about parliament wanting to vote on what form of Brexit we should have? If May had gone for a soft option - remaining in the Customs Union - she would have got that through comfortably and we wouldn't have all the problems that we still have re NI. What really was undemocratic was unlawfully proroguing parliament and sending Rees-Mogg to lie to the Queen about it.

 

[Staines R's]

What happened in the video?

Can't see anything

Just some kids having a laugh and mucking about the little rascals

 

[Staines R's]

Why would you expect anyone else to respect the laws and rules of the land whilst those who make them make a mockery of them?

I wouldn’t. But then again I wouldn’t focus on the petty things like him having a party, while being a hypocrite myself.
But hey, ho…..each to their own

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

That doesn't contradict what I said, though. May didn't break her word but lacked political dexterity (i.e. wasn't good enough). Boris lied and got rewarded. He immediately broke a key promise and the idea of Brexit being 'done' is laughable if you ask anyone living in N Ireland.

Brexit could never be driven by Northern Ireland. And the Northern Ireland issue would never be resolved on paper by EU negotiators on the Trade Agreement demanding their rights. It had to be a pragmatic solution, and the EU are beginning to see that a hard line, purists, punishment type approach will not work. As in most issues involving NI, it will take time to resolve. In the meantime, the rest of the UK get on with what the majority of the electorate voted for. Boris delivered it. May wanted an unworkable compromise that pleased no one, apart from possibly the EU.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

That would be hilarious.

Anyway, what was undemocratic about parliament wanting to vote on what form of Brexit we should have? If May had gone for a soft option - remaining in the Customs Union - she would have got that through comfortably and we wouldn't have all the problems that we still have re NI. What really was undemocratic was unlawfully proroguing parliament and sending Rees-Mogg to lie to the Queen about it.

A Customs Union, because that natural winner, Jeremy Corbyn demanded it? It would never have run because the Tories rightly wanted an independent trade policy so we could do trade deals with other countries.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

That doesn't contradict what I said, though. May didn't break her word but lacked political dexterity (i.e. wasn't good enough). Boris lied and got rewarded. He immediately broke a key promise and the idea of Brexit being 'done' is laughable if you ask anyone living in N Ireland.

We’ve made it a bit more **** for some foreigners which I’m fairly sure was a key part of the manifesto.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Her EU Withdrawal Bill offered Parliament a vote on a second referendum to woo a Remain Labour Party under Corbyn. She was dead meat among Tories from then on. Boris came in, said **** Labour Remainers, I'll get Brexit over the line and the UK electorate awarded him with a massive majority.

Never underestimate the power of telling people what they want to hear.

 

[Stroller]

A Customs Union, because that natural winner, Jeremy Corbyn demanded it? It would never have run because the Tories rightly wanted an independent trade policy so we could do trade deals with other countries.

Ah yes, all those shiny new trade deals. That's going well, isn't it?

Northern Ireland seems to be doing rather well from remaining in the Customs Union.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Ah yes, all those shiny new trade deals. That's going well, isn't it?

Northern Ireland seems to be doing rather well from remaining in the Customs Union.

Give them time. Your great-grandchildren will be grateful for all the opportunities Brexit will give.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Ah yes, all those shiny new trade deals. That's going well, isn't it?

Northern Ireland seems to be doing rather well from remaining in the Customs Union.

Trade deals are going fine, given that the UK only left the EU two years ago, and there has been a worldwide pandemic. I don't see his honourable knighthood, Sir Keir of People's Vote, promising to change things if Labour come to power.

If Northern Ireland was doing that well, Unionists wouldn't be rejecting the Protocol as put into practice.

 

[Stroller]

Johnson arse-lickers are are out today trying to claim that all the number 10 resignations are down to Johnson 'making changes'.

Laughable.

 

[bobmid]

I wouldn’t. But then again I wouldn’t focus on the petty things like him having a party, while being a hypocrite myself.
But hey, ho…..each to their own

Yep each to their own. That petty thing of him having a party was breaking the law. What other laws shall we let people people brush off as petty?

 

[Staines R's]

Yep each to their own. That petty thing of him having a party was breaking the law. What other laws shall we let people people brush off as petty?

Dunno Bob, you’re new to this political game so I’m sure you’ll come up with something

 

[bobmid]

Johnson arse-lickers are are out today traying to claim that all the number 10 resignations are down to Johnson 'making changes'.

Laughable.

Everyone sees through it strolls, apart from those who choose to turn a blind eye. Nobody takes this lot seriously. They should have their own comedy show.

 

[bobmid]

Dunno Bob, you’re new to this political game so I’m sure you’ll come up with something

Was relying on an experienced pro like yourself

 

[Staines R's]

Was relying on an experienced pro like yourself

Ok. Well what I would do, is focus more on the broken Tory manifesto policies that got them into power in the first place.
It’s really good that you are now getting involved in politics after so long. It could be argued that through the apathy of people like yourself throughout the years…..that’s what’s got us into this mess of a Tory government in the first place.
Keep now fighting the good fight Bob….we will overcome