Yeah I think there favourite is when he’s not offside go back and find some other reason
There will be plenty to look at
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There will be plenty to look at
That’s how it seems, Man Utd would have probably been awarded that goal
cheeky £5k or so into the refs off shore trust fund?
I'm with you on this one.
The non Sunderland Match thread began with
which got one and suddenly that was it. I don't think anyone was asked about it, people just started using it. Mind, I don't know if you would get your thread merged if you started a new thread for a game.
Yeah it’s very strange some top clubs get the run of the green { of course it’s all money related ]
You can easy back track and find a push pull or nudge
It appears that way.
Technically, with the managers permission, that Villa player could stand there having a tab, and it's up to Cavani to run round him.
They were blatantly looking for any excuse at all to chalk that goal off.
too many grey areas as i keep saying.
it should be made perfectly clear what probable offence they are looking for, if it is offside and VAR proves he was onside then the goal stands..it looked very much as if they looked for offside, when they could not prove that there was a suggestion of hand ball, again that was proved wrong, next they were looking to see if there was a touch from watkins before it reached ings, again there was not, they then took it back to cavani running into mings and used that to disallow it.
none of those instances could be described as a 'clear and obvious error' which basically, imo, proves everyone who has posted that they simply kept going till they found a reason to disallow it, correct in what they think.
the game is fecked and those who welcomed VAR with open arms have handed more points to the big six, it is being proved to be anything but the 'game leveller' we were told it would be.
it should be made perfectly clear what probable offence they are looking for, if it is offside and VAR proves he was onside then the goal stands..it looked very much as if they looked for offside, when they could not prove that there was a suggestion of hand ball, again that was proved wrong, next they were looking to see if there was a touch from watkins before it reached ings, again there was not, they then took it back to cavani running into mings and used that to disallow it.
none of those instances could be described as a 'clear and obvious error' which basically, imo, proves everyone who has posted that they simply kept going till they found a reason to disallow it, correct in what they think.
the game is fecked and those who welcomed VAR with open arms have handed more points to the big six, it is being proved to be anything but the 'game leveller' we were told it would be.
It's corrupt in that, specifically the FA Cup, they only use it at Premier league grounds. How the **** can VAR be used in some games but not others in the same competition?
Three and a half minutes to find the excuse to disallow the villa equaliser, pathetic really.
...and as if to prove how sh1te it is, liverpool get a penalty that (imho) never was.
he had lost control of the ball and was never going to score, he took a bit of a side step into the keeper rather than the keeper going into him...i was wondering when friend would get the chance to give liverpool a decision and there it was, that man has proven time and time again that he is a 'big six' referee, if it takes near 5 minutes of various angles and slow motion then a further viewing by the ref then there is no way it has been a 'clear and obvious error'.
he had lost control of the ball and was never going to score, he took a bit of a side step into the keeper rather than the keeper going into him...i was wondering when friend would get the chance to give liverpool a decision and there it was, that man has proven time and time again that he is a 'big six' referee, if it takes near 5 minutes of various angles and slow motion then a further viewing by the ref then there is no way it has been a 'clear and obvious error'.
It could be argued that as there was no" clear obvious Error" was the referee slipped a brown one? The time has come to say enough is enough with this VAR and ditch it completely. Otherwise the only positive solution is to :
1. Mike every referee up to hear what is being said by the video Referee on contentious issues like the Rugby refs. What offence has been infringed , not this lets find a reason to allow disallow a goal .sending off. penalty etc .
2. Make sure that there are at least three people on duty during a game under VAR, preferably a former manager, a player and a referee in the control room at Stockley Park Thats were all games are now being refereed from imo, Not on the actual the pitch official. t
The ridiculous amount of time its taking to come up with a reason to allow or disallow the stoppage ( 3-5 minutes without this being added to the additional /injury time to play) is killing the game. let mistakes happen , they do in real life and should do in football games.
Until then VAR is not fit for purpose.. Bin it.
It wouldn't supprise me if, at sometime in the future, that an Appeal Pannel Board is formed to correct past decisions.
We are privvy to see SKY replays of decisions on live matches these days....and to be fair, about 95+% descisions look fair.
However, there are some bloody odd ones, don't you agree?
Too much money in this game now to not have second look, I reckon.
And Yeah, there is too many arguments to disagree with me....but all I'm saying is....I wouldn't be supprised if legislation was introduced to challenge VAR.
We are privvy to see SKY replays of decisions on live matches these days....and to be fair, about 95+% descisions look fair.
However, there are some bloody odd ones, don't you agree?
Too much money in this game now to not have second look, I reckon.
And Yeah, there is too many arguments to disagree with me....but all I'm saying is....I wouldn't be supprised if legislation was introduced to challenge VAR.
Whatever they get right or wrong with VAR, they have destroyed forever the best thing about going to the match.
The mad, instant moment of exhilaration when your team scores has gone. Now it's a half celebration, then hopefully no problem, and then another half.
Terrible, and worse still, those who are actually at the game know the least. Sitting there getting texts saying " penalty" or " no goal ' or whatever while they take two, three or more minutes looking at the same indistinct pictures.
Feckers who have probably never paid to watch a match have ruined it for all those who do.
The mad, instant moment of exhilaration when your team scores has gone. Now it's a half celebration, then hopefully no problem, and then another half.
Terrible, and worse still, those who are actually at the game know the least. Sitting there getting texts saying " penalty" or " no goal ' or whatever while they take two, three or more minutes looking at the same indistinct pictures.
Feckers who have probably never paid to watch a match have ruined it for all those who do.
initial reports saying it was only to be used for clear and obvious errors, could have worked but what we are seeing is EVERY incident is being checked by VAR, that did fail originally so new 'laws' were brought in to cover those mistakes but these new 'laws' leave a nice grey area that still appears to benefit the 'big six'...then the offside/penalty/red card instances that slow the game and remove that goal 'buzz'
we, as the paying public have always accepted the mistakes made by officials on the spur of the moment (they get the same real time look we all get, no multi-camera angles or some geezer telling the ref he should take another look) even though we never agreed with them at the time, when they went against us.
i think initially the 'big six' were not quite getting the decisions and that is why the slight changes were brought in, in the end that penalty liverpool got against palace made no difference to the result but it should never have been given, i could understand if it had been on the initial view but the replays showed very clearly that he did not have control of the ball at any point and he deliberately stepped into the keeper, if anything, he should have been given a red card for unsporting behaviour.
we, as the paying public have always accepted the mistakes made by officials on the spur of the moment (they get the same real time look we all get, no multi-camera angles or some geezer telling the ref he should take another look) even though we never agreed with them at the time, when they went against us.
i think initially the 'big six' were not quite getting the decisions and that is why the slight changes were brought in, in the end that penalty liverpool got against palace made no difference to the result but it should never have been given, i could understand if it had been on the initial view but the replays showed very clearly that he did not have control of the ball at any point and he deliberately stepped into the keeper, if anything, he should have been given a red card for unsporting behaviour.
Yep.
It is embarrassingly clear now. The refs are obviously told to follow the VAR decision/suggestion at all times and they almost always favour the big teams. The VAR bloke too, is probably terrified of upsetting Klopp , Guardiola or the other big names.
They seek approval, making the bias sometimes unconscious, but there nonetheless. That stupid trot over to a plastic bus shelter is risible. It is as if he was going for a ***, then he looks at a smaller screen than 99 per cent of people have in year homes, possibly in daylight, and usually one angle. But they always agree now, after a couple of early exceptions.
It has now got to the point where they look as if they are actively looking to give decisions to certain clubs. It may not be, but that's what most people see, and this absurd and premature , done on the cheap, attempt at an improvement puts the game in peril.
We are a long way from the PL. But I for one could never go and watch us in that League, knowing that I get a second hand experience, while others , sitting at home get to know and see vital moments denied the paying fan.
Liverpool got 2 yesterday. Their first goal had a player in an offside position trying to win the ball. Apparently not interfering with play.
Then a player mis-kicks a ball, redirects his run into a stationary player and gets a penalty. Utterly disgraceful decisions. Not a chance in hell either of those goals would’ve been given against them (or City, etc)
Then a player mis-kicks a ball, redirects his run into a stationary player and gets a penalty. Utterly disgraceful decisions. Not a chance in hell either of those goals would’ve been given against them (or City, etc)
You can find a reason to cancel every goal if you back track