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The Tories turned on Thatcher for less, so he will get his get his comeuppance eventually, and that will be immensely enjoyable when he and the smug Rees-Mogg are confined to the dustbins of history.
Rees-Mogg? You are confident that whoever takes over from Johnson will bin him off? I mean even Boris didn’t give him a real cabinet post I guess

Not convinced JRM doesn’t get through the next election though. It would need a real Lib Dem surge to oust him
 
Once Johnson is out, I cannot see his successor tolerating Rees-Mogg in the slightest. Probably oñe of the most detested Tories within Tory ranks the length.and breadth of the country.
 
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Oh, I totally agree. The problem is that there is a monopoly on the papers and media that matter.

The highest selling papers are owned by a very small amount of people, essentially a monopoly on information.

And they use this power to divide and conquer. They steal from the public and then get the public to blame each other.

The real battle isn’t a left v right battle, it’s a rich v poor battle… And the poor have very little chance to win thanks to the aforementioned media control.

It’s like the Brexit thing. The real ulterior motive for most of it was likely tax avoidance related.

Absolutely no one in power is fighting for the good of the people & society anymore.

The conservatives want to hoard wealth & avoid tax and the Labour Party want to debase the currency & give free money to everyone.

Meanwhile the country gets worst and worse as wages stagnate and infrastructure spending goes down.

I sort of agree and don't agree. Actual print press is teetering on it's last legs. If people still go to the Mail and the Sun for their intake, rather than more unbiased sources, well the problem there is education of the masses.

So many people don't quite get how media is now forced to work in the digital age. The majority will promote the stories that get the most clicks, as it's how they earn what little revenue there is left in news. Hence why you get 'clickbait' articles. And also why you get all the idiocy around 'well you won't see this in the MSM' - you will, and you do (if you do a little searching), it just might not be on the front page of the site you choose, because that particular story doesn't get the most clicks.

It's a bit of a bind for the more unbiased and reasonable outlets like, for instance, Reuters and AP. They still need to run as commercial organisations, whilst abiding to things like the "Reuters trust principles" which prevent them from biased reporting and/or opinion. So whereas they may want to produce more stories about, for example, the recent devastating typhoon in the Philippines, they may not promote it as front page news, because people just aren't interested (another thing entirely).

The main thing is trying to educate people away from deeply opinionated news sites like The Sun, for want of a better example, and toward more source based news like Reuters.

The difficulty is that people aren't actually all *that* interested in news. They want to be entertained, so we get bullshit like pieces about Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly.
 
Oh, I totally agree. The problem is that there is a monopoly on the papers and media that matter.

The highest selling papers are owned by a very small amount of people, essentially a monopoly on information.

And they use this power to divide and conquer. They steal from the public and then get the public to blame each other.

The real battle isn’t a left v right battle, it’s a rich v poor battle… And the poor have very little chance to win thanks to the aforementioned media control.

It’s like the Brexit thing. The real ulterior motive for most of it was likely tax avoidance related.

Absolutely no one in power is fighting for the good of the people & society anymore.

The conservatives want to hoard wealth & avoid tax and the Labour Party want to debase the currency & give free money to everyone.

Meanwhile the country gets worst and worse as wages stagnate and infrastructure spending goes down.
"the Labour Party want to debase the currency & give free money to everyone." Really? You cannot be serious.
 
Rees-Mogg? You are confident that whoever takes over from Johnson will bin him off? I mean even Boris didn’t give him a real cabinet post I guess

Not convinced JRM doesn’t get through the next election though. It would need a real Lib Dem surge to oust him
Labour are second in NE Somerset, JRM won it from Labour in 2010. It will need a Lib-Lab pact to get rid of him, which won’t happen.
 
It was his stance, or lack of it, on Brexit that put a lot of non-Labour and non-Tory voters off Corbyn.

Beyond his incoherence on Brexit, he also just struggled to really convince most of the populace that he would make a good PM.
I sort of agree and don't agree. Actual print press is teetering on it's last legs. If people still go to the Mail and the Sun for their intake, rather than more unbiased sources, well the problem there is education of the masses.

So many people don't quite get how media is now forced to work in the digital age. The majority will promote the stories that get the most clicks, as it's how they earn what little revenue there is left in news. Hence why you get 'clickbait' articles. And also why you get all the idiocy around 'well you won't see this in the MSM' - you will, and you do (if you do a little searching), it just might not be on the front page of the site you choose, because that particular story doesn't get the most clicks.

It's a bit of a bind for the more unbiased and reasonable outlets like, for instance, Reuters and AP. They still need to run as commercial organisations, whilst abiding to things like the "Reuters trust principles" which prevent them from biased reporting and/or opinion. So whereas they may want to produce more stories about, for example, the recent devastating typhoon in the Philippines, they may not promote it as front page news, because people just aren't interested (another thing entirely).

The main thing is trying to educate people away from deeply opinionated news sites like The Sun, for want of a better example, and toward more source based news like Reuters.

The difficulty is that people aren't actually all *that* interested in news. They want to be entertained, so we get bullshit like pieces about Megan Fox and Machine Gun Kelly.

If there's one thing that one of these uber-billionaires could do with wealth that would have a permanent, beneficial effect, it would be to establish a hands-off, non-profit trust to create and administer a network of regional newspapers. Non-profit is the only way forward for good news and in particular investigation journalism in this media environment (ProPublica, as an example, is excellent), but national organizations can only cover so much...you need a lot of reporters able to cover smaller stories at the local and regional level, because that stuff matters.
 
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Interesting piece about couriers, who are striking, as a result of their contracts having been changed, reducing their income.
Also interesting to know that Just Eat use a logistical company called Stuart, which is owned by DPD, which is owned by La Poste, which is owned by the French government.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fury-courier-firm-forces-covid-26006330

Sad .But we as a country have sold our souls to the devil .

I don’t mean all of course , but it’s been going on for years .
 
Anyone else keeping an eye on the potential war between Russia and the Ukraine?
Most of the world seems to be sitting back and monitoring the situation and with Ukraine not belonging to NATO, there is no obligation for NATO to get over involved.
The UK, meanwhile, has been supplying Ukraine with anti tank weapons and troops to train the Ukrainians in their use. It’s almost as if we want to be part of anything that might kick off there.
Maybe Johnson is looking for another distraction, even if it does put British lives at risk.
Here’s a link to the views of some people who know more about these things than I do.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...tary-move-against-ukraine-follow-these-clues/