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Are we moving forward?

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  1. bcfcredandwhite

    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Many people say we have moved forward from the LJ/MA era, but have we really?
    People point to lack of funds for Nigel (We’re only raising funds for Nigel - could be a song in there somewhere) but that puts us on a par with all others sides in this league apart from the parachute sides.
    We also managed a comfortable top half finish under the previous regime using many of the current squad and yet LJ was fired for ‘failing’.
    It’s an old football saying ‘you only buy in if what you buy is better than you currently have’
    I’m not calling for Nigel to be sacked - of course not - and for the record I do NOT want LJ back and a return to the ‘streaks’ we had before, but imho NP is no better than LJ. was. If anyone disagrees then that’s fine - please explain (but talking ‘no spin’ is irrelevant!!)
     
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    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    I think had we not had Covid and the resulting economic fallout,and had substantial funds been made available to Nige in a normal Transfer Window, then we might be in a different place to where we are right now.
    But it's all conjecture of course.

    In answer to your question, have we moved forward since Johnson was sacked ? The answer from me is no. But are the supporters generally happier and more together and behind the team than they were under Johnson and then Holden ? I would say the answer is a definite yes.

    Everyone knew that this would be no ordinary season and for me Nige still has the benefit of the doubt, providing we can avoid being in the bottom 3. If we are still in this position in 12 months time then it might be a different matter. The uncomfortable truth is that we're miles behind the likes of Bournemouth and co.
     
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  3. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    there is more than 1 reason unlinked in the above and it is conjecture trying to guess what might have been ...
    Covid had that not come along who knows what would follow LJ still in charge with finishes in top 8 ...????
    or replaced by DH??? STILL under threats of covid and injuries, but not having the team sold out from under him ... and currently in top 8 teams on 24pts?????
    or all that happened and NP seen as the messiah and will have his supporters through thick and thin because their dislike/hate of LJ/DH is more para mount in their thinking of we could have done better ... posted elsewhere we all have our trains of thought...its how humans progress. Should have something good it allows for something better and something worse. DEPENDS ON WHERE YOUR GOOD STARTING POINT IS! you could say Alan Dicks! or any highlight since .....

    IMHO the present is the wrong side of good

    Despite his relative success in his two years at Leicester, he often had a very strained relationship with chairman Milan Mandaric and chief executive Lee Hoos. In the summer of 2010, then allowed Hull City to speak to him.
    Championship team Derby County on a three-year contract on 27 May 2016, It was later claimed that the row began with Pearson's objection to Morris's use of drones to observe training sessions ... Pearson left the club by mutual consent on 8 October 2016, with Derby 20th in the Championship
    Pearson was appointed as the manager of Belgian First Division B side Oud-Heverlee Leuven on 22 September 2017.[84] He was sacked on 3 February 2019.
    was appointed Watford manager on 6 December 2019 on a contract utill the end of the season.....On 19 July 2020, Pearson was sacked with two games remaining in the 2019–20 season. Watford were seven points adrift at the bottom of the league when Pearson took charge, and three points above the relegation zone when he was sacked.[88][89] Following Pearson's sacking, Watford went on to lose their remaining two games and were relegated.

    the return to Leics [ second time as manger ] does seem to be involved / have some dark episodes ... maybe the reason for his controlled pattern of speech when presenting interviews??
    To be honest have never looked into his past, today I did, I expected to see won this won that promoted here there and everywhere but really nothing stands out ....... !
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    Good points well made <cheers>
     
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    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    This might help us both...................

    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/significant-update-emerges-on-reading-fc-point-deduction/
     
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    wizered Ol' Mucker Staff Member

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    ‘Clearly isn’t working’, ‘Time to move on’ – Many Bristol City fans criticise one man following Birmingham drubbing
    https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/c...ticise-one-man-following-birmingham-drubbing/

    What a shallow bunch we are, he is only 6 months in to his 3 year contract, he has had one window with minimal finance, as all have had he has also had the Covid pandemic to get though, personal twice and club wise, fighting to sort out internal and backroom problems,people are calling for his head, critique of his performances are deserved but for him to go is a nonsense, let us at least get to January and see if ths club are prepared to support him and where we go.
     
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    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Other managers we've had, have had people wanting them out for a lot less, and a lot quicker. I don't want NP gone, the instability of constantly changing managers is no good to anyone. The only way he should be sacked is if we are in real danger of relegation. He does have to sort out the performance, tactics and formation of the side quickly. As I have said before, in the 6 games I've seen this season we lack any identity and are bullied by every other team we have played. Our possession is poor, as is our pressing ability.
     
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    bcfcredandwhite Well-Known Member

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    I’m afraid that goes with the job. As soon as you accept the position you take on the understanding that when things aren’t going well there will be people calling for your head.
    I’m not calling for him to go yet - but he needs to shape up or we could end up with a serious risk of the drop.
     
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    Redprintt Well-Known Member

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    I don't blame Pearson for this mess. He's been here 5 minutes and spent basically zilch.
    A few windows and we're still in the same mess ?
    OK, but to talk now of being rid of him is ridiculous, and unfair.
     
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    **** me RR wanted Cotts before he started <laugh>
     
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  11. realred1952

    realred1952 Well-Known Member

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    very true, however, put into perspective he is in a much better place than his forbears, COVID was rife for both the previous managers who had NO FANS and a massive injury problem. I am not calling for his head, dont think I have ever been on that train for any manager, but maybe been on the platform but in the background.
    previous post said SURPRISED at lack of glowing aura! He needs, IMO to settle down stick to his principles and keep on taking the tablets! Good enough you play ..[ maybe not just for 1 game or part thereof, pressure on "you have your chance take it or else not good ]
    Have a bad game, you are out [ dont make it 2 is a softer option and more likely to benefit ]
    WE NEED to sort out the injuries ...make sure they are sorted and player 101% ... not hopefully [ desperation statement ] we can get him fit enough to get a couple games out of him ... exasperating the problems indivdual/team/ results/etc
    DONT make empty statements .. have a good well balanced keen squad to work wit... then dither around it when it doesnt come together. NP is supposed to work with what he believes [ has stated ] is the correct material and get results ...

    Bentley, Vyner, Mariappa, Kalas, Hunt, Palmer,[88 Semenyo], Bakinson, Nagy [ 95 HNM ], Towler [45 Sessengon ], Fammy, Wells ....... Moore, Pearson, Scott, Bell and Conway also subs
    WHICH GAME WAS THIS ...WON 3-1 against a team very near the top!!! there is currently 7 [ 8 inc Semenyo injured ] of these who had minutes available now!!!! Moore is at Hearts ..doing well,....
    A superior manager? should be able to conjure up better results than so far this season ... or has all the other teams improved so so much better than BCFC!!! come on NP get your act together ... 4-3-1-2 or 3 -4-1 -2 [ -1-2 is a given ]
     
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