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St Badger said:
If the solution to staff shortages, in some industries, is to allow an increase in migrant labour, then it is clear that the cause of the problem was reducing the number of migrant workers, in the first place.
And saying we will allow 5000 temporary working visas for HGV drivers will not cover the fact that we are said to be in need of 100,000.

Sadly the MSN are so cosy with the Tory party that they will never report it in that way, as it involves telling the truth about Brexit.
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As my part-time, post retirement, job, I put out the newspapers in a supermarket, which gives me the chance to peruse all of the headlines. In the past week, I've noticed that papers have reported on the fuel queues, in their own way, apart from The Daily Mail. They have studiously ignored this issue, preferring to have anything else as a headline, rather than admit that there is a problem, which may in some, vague, unimportant way, have a tenuous link to Brexit, which is, of course, a complete success.
 
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Lemons and Oranges said:
As my part-time, post retirement, job, I put out the newspapers in a supermarket, which gives me the chance to peruse all of the headlines. In the past week, I've noticed that papers have reported on the fuel queues, in their own way, apart from The Daily Mail. They have studiously ignored this issue, preferring to have anything else as a headline, rather than admit that there is a problem, which may in some, vague, unimportant way, have a tenuous link to Brexit, which is, of course, a complete success.
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If there's another paper worse...may I nominate the Express which manages to put a positive political spin in Spaffers favour on any bad-news story.
 
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Lemons and Oranges said:
As my part-time, post retirement, job, I put out the newspapers in a supermarket, which gives me the chance to peruse all of the headlines. In the past week, I've noticed that papers have reported on the fuel queues, in their own way, apart from The Daily Mail. They have studiously ignored this issue, preferring to have anything else as a headline, rather than admit that there is a problem, which may in some, vague, unimportant way, have a tenuous link to Brexit, which is, of course, a complete success.
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Brexit’s going really well actually. When Christmas comes and the food runs out, that’ll be down to something else entirely <ok>
 
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St. Luigi Scrosoppi said:
If the back stabbing and in-fighting ****s up Labours ability to put up a bloody good fight in the next general election then they are no better than the lying tory bastards they need to oust and they will have lost my loyalty forever.
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Why is British polítics so divisive? This past weekend we have witnessed a GE in Germany. And the outcome of that is that differing parties will set asíde their differences to form a Government for.the good of Germany. If Labour ever wants to form a Government for the good of the UK it should back PR.as an essential.and work.on forming a Government with the Lib Dems, Greens, PC, the SDLP, Alliance and SNP, so it will need to drop its unionist ideals to.accommodate the SNP
 
Lemons and Oranges said:
As my part-time, post retirement, job, I put out the newspapers in a supermarket, which gives me the chance to peruse all of the headlines. In the past week, I've noticed that papers have reported on the fuel queues, in their own way, apart from The Daily Mail. They have studiously ignored this issue, preferring to have anything else as a headline, rather than admit that there is a problem, which may in some, vague, unimportant way, have a tenuous link to Brexit, which is, of course, a complete success.
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For what it’s worth, I recently read that Wikipedia will not allow the Mail to be used as a point of reference, owing to the fact that it is so unreliable when it comes to reporting facts.
Says it all for me.
I do wonder, though, if their readers, and those of the Express and Sun have any idea what is really happening in this country, because if they KNOW their chosen paper is telling lies, or not reporting facts, why do they continue to pay for them?
 
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Schrodinger's Cat said:
John Bercow has signed up with the Labour Party now, bet Keith is worried as JB would be the type of personality that would attract support if he had leadership ambition.
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The prime objective should be to destroy Johnson!!!! Nothing else matters!!!!!! If it takes JB to down him I would be more than happy., but someone somewhere needs to hang to knife twister out to dry.
 
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It's Only A Game said:
And whose fault is that? All the while that Labour puts up unelectables from the far left like Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell and Long-Bailey, we will always be governed by Conservatives.
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I would have thought Johnson, Mogg, Raab and Patel were equally unpalatable! Sooner or later the electorate will tire itself of the Tories, as in 1997. The conundrum for Labour is Scotland, and as a unionist party it is unlikely to win many seats from the SNP. Therefore it needs to adopt PR as oñe of its acts in its manifestó
 
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St Badger said:
For what it’s worth, I recently read that Wikipedia will not allow the Mail to be used as a point of reference, owing to the fact that it is so unreliable when it comes to reporting facts.
Says it all for me.
I do wonder, though, if their readers, and those of the Express and Sun have any idea what is really happening in this country, because if they KNOW their chosen paper is telling lies, or not reporting facts, why do they continue to pay for them?
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To quote from 'Glad to be gay' by Tom Robinson, "It's there in the paper, it must be the truth"
 
It's Only A Game said:
Someone who knows what a matching pair of shoes looks like and what foot to put them on would be a good start. We all dodged a bullet there.
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"We all" speak for yourself. Dianne Abbott has more integrity and ability than spaffer Johnson and his cabinet of sycophantic incompetents combined. The handling of the pandemic and brexshit together with the ongoing lies, deceit and corruption will. I hope, lead to a day of reckoning.
 
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The Ides of March said:
I would have thought Johnson, Mogg, Raab and Patel were equally unpalatable! Sooner or later the electorate will tire itself of the Tories, as in 1997. The conundrum for Labour is Scotland, and as a unionist party it is unlikely to win many seats from the SNP. Therefore it needs to adopt PR as oñe of its acts in its manifestó
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Well the public obviously didn't think so and Labour's worst election result since 1935 seems to bear that out.

The thing is, this was a conversation about the political abilities of Diane Abbott because you put a post up about her. It's not always necessary to turn it into a rant about the government (even if they deserve it). We already have plenty of those to read but we don't get much on here about the short comings of the Labour party and why they don't put up a credible alternative, which in my opinion, at this time, is a ridiculous position to be in.
I don't agree with you at all about Abbott, she is a liability and a subject of ridicule. Unfortunately, she is not alone in the party and a change in government seems a long way off.
 
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It's Only A Game said:
Well the public obviously didn't think so and Labour's worst election result since 1935 seems to bear that out.

The thing is, this was a conversation about the political abilities of Diane Abbott because you put a post up about her. It's not always necessary to turn it into a rant about the government (even if they deserve it). We already have plenty of those to read but we don't get much on here about the short comings of the Labour party and why they don't put up a credible alternative, which in my opinion, at this time, is a ridiculous position to be in.
I don't agree with you at all about Abbott, she is a liability and a subject of ridicule. Unfortunately, she is not alone in the party and a change in government seems a long way off.
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She is a subject of ridicule because the Tory-led media make her one. In reality she is an exceptionally capable and intelligent political operator. Her constituents in Hackney North certainly think so, the re-elected her in 2019 with 70% of the vote share. While this was a drop of nearly 5% on 2017 it was less than the drop in Labour’s vote nationally. Bearing in mind the hatred for her stoked by the press, which you have obviously listened to, that’s quite remarkable. It certainly bucks the trend shown in the Red Wall seats.
 
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