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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Sadly Goldie you used the word 'pragmatic' when regarding to the EU... that ain't going to happen.
The EU are just using NI to make things difficult for us. They know it's easy to use the trust a trader scheme.
They are just being tw2ts.

I agree, and I don't think they appreciate that with N Ireland, they are playing with fire. It'll get worse before it gets better.
 
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PETER HITCHENS: What is the point of tourists' checks and tests if migrants can just walk into Dover?
By Peter Hitchens for The Mail on Sunday

Published: 07:09 AEST, 6 June 2021 | Updated: 10:57 AEST, 6 June 2021



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Compare and contrast. A British family, who have saved all year for a holiday after long months of house arrest and general dreariness, have to interrupt their break in Portugal to go home, on the stern orders of the Government in London.

Before them lie hours of bureaucracy, unpleasant and ruinously expensive nasal swabs, long forms to fill in, shuffling queues, more nasal swabs, more queues, and then days of being snooped on at home.

You'll know that I think this is ridiculous and useless. But even if you disagree with me, you must see that it is profoundly unfair, and a pretence of security.


It reminds me of the water companies which sternly tell us not to waste water in our homes while leaving a thousand ruptured mains gushing millions of gallons of the precious fluid back into the earth.

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But if they want to come here, they should join the legal queue to get in, as you and I would have to do if we wanted to live in any of the world's advanced nations. Or what is the point of laws and borders and passports at all?

As for the holidays and poverty argument, most British holidaymakers have paid a fortune in taxes to finance this country's gargantuan foreign aid budget, some of which (I am reliably informed) actually does help the poor of the Third World rather than, say, helping India maintain nuclear bombs, or aiding China with its space programme. If they want to give up their holidays to pay more, I am sure they are free to do so, and so are the self-righteous people who make this point.

Anyway, my case is different. The British state pretends very hard that it can protect us from Covid by taking away our ancient liberties to live and move and make an honest wage. Evidence that this claim is true is, to put it mildly, sketchy.

One day, historians, possibly from another planet, will slice through the guff and propaganda of the past 15 months and tell us what really happened rather than what the BBC said happened. For now, everyone is too over-wrought to think about it, and I have given up trying.

But, thanks to fetters it has loaded on to itself with more than 50 years of bad diplomacy and utopian human rights laws, the same Government is quite unable to do one of the most basic duties of any state – the guarding of our coasts. We, not sordid people-smugglers, should decide who comes into this country.

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A British family, who have saved all year for a holiday after long months of house arrest and general dreariness, have to interrupt their break in Portugal to go home, on the stern orders of the Government in London. Before them lie hours of bureaucracy, unpleasant and ruinously expensive nasal swabs, long forms to fill in, shuffling queues, more nasal swabs, more queues, and then days of being snooped on at home. People are seen lining up at Faro airport to return to England

Queues at Faro airport as Brits scramble home to avoid quarantine











But since the people-smugglers realised that the Channel is in fact very easy to cross for much of the year, we have lost that control and show no signs of getting it back.

And before too long, the numbers of undocumented migrants in this country will be so great that a call for compulsory national identity cards and greatly increased surveillance will be pretty much irresistible.

You want a new job, to take a driving test, to move house, to hook up with a new electricity company, buy a phone, even to sign up with a gym? State-issued ID, please.

So life in general will become more like life under the Covid panic. More checks, more documents, more apps, more queues, more mistrust, more 'computer says no', more stupid bureaucratic mistakes. And if you lose the awful thing, you become an unperson.

And all because we have for years had governments which are tough on the law-abiding and feeble with those who break the rules.
 
Ramsha Afridi - رامشا
@Ramshaofficial
· Jun 7
My uncle in Pakistan asked me what “woke” means.. and I told him what it meant.

His response: “These people in the West are spoilt and have never had real problems, so they are creating problems because they are so bored”.
 


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Burnside

@BurnsideNotTosh


I for one feel so much safer knowing that 8 year old tweets are being investigated rather than England's abysmal efforts to win the game this afternoon.

Not sure I can support any of my national teams at the moment. Come back when you're not total ****ing fannies.
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Test Match Special
@bbctms
· Jun 7
England pace bowler Ollie Robinson has been suspended from international cricket pending an investigation into historical racist and sexist tweets.

More: https://bbc.in/3uVdkIA#bbccricket


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if only boris could pull his fingers out he could up the punishment for these knife wielding criminals and build some prisons for these maniacs
 
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Tory MP Brendan Clarke-Smith has compared the anti-racism gesture to England footballers performing the Nazi salute during a 1938 match against Germany in Berlin. Johnson hasn't gone this far yet, but watch this space.
 
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Breaking: A man has slapped French President Macron in the face during an official visit to South east of France

France has since surrendered.

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Tory MP Brendan Clarke-Smith has compared the anti-racism gesture to England footballers performing the Nazi salute during a 1938 match against Germany in Berlin. Johnson hasn't gone this far yet, but watch this space.

Fortunately he found time to check which way the gammon wind was blowing and make a comment on the cricketer who got suspended.