Off Topic The Politics Thread

[ELLERS]

It was a massive mistake, but we now have to live with it.

Once again an arrogant remain stance and thats why people wont just move on.

 

[ELLERS]

Bring back Jezza!

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Why must you lot continue to label everybody as to how they felt about Brexit? Move on for ****'s sake, you can't remain in something you've already left. It was a massive mistake, but we now have to live with it. The economy will inevitably bounce back post Covid, but it will be despite Brexit, not because of it.

The furlough scheme, whilst welcome, was forced on the Tory government, it doesn't represent a change in deep-lying attitudes. How the Tories rebalance the economy will be the most telling issue. More austerity will not be tolerated.

First, there's no evidence whatsoever that Brexit was a mistake. The vaccination programme made the EU's equivalent look like Third World, and the UK's economy is picking up and is predicted to push forward faster than any EU member state. I really get the impression that dyed in the wool Remainers just speak to each other without opening their eyes to what's going on around them. They begin to look like sad figures.

Second, for the Red Wall voters, Brexit was a vote for themselves and their families, and against what they saw as the disloyalty and lack of interest from the metropolitan elite in Labour. That motivation among these voters will not be dispelled overnight, particularly if the Tories bring industry and jobs to struggling Northern constituencies. I suspect the Tory emphasis will be no growth and not austerity. And there's a lot of money that has been stored up by consumers over the last year ready to be spent and pumped into the system.

 

[ELLERS]

First, there's no evidence whatsoever that Brexit was a mistake. The vaccination programme made the EU's equivalent look like Third World, and the UK's economy is picking up and is predicted to push forward faster than any EU member state. I really get the impression that dyed in the wool Remainers just speak to each other without opening their eyes to what's going on around them. They begin to look like sad figures.

Second, for the Red Wall voters, Brexit was a vote for themselves and their families, and against what they saw as the disloyalty and lack of interest from the metropolitan elite in Labour. That motivation among these voters will not be dispelled overnight, particularly if the Tories bring industry and jobs to struggling Northern constituencies. I suspect the Tory emphasis will be no growth and not austerity. And there's a lot of money that has been stored up by consumers over the last year ready to be spent and pumped into the system.

Spot ‘bloody’ on!

 

[ELLERS]

I wonder if the Swiss are now thick uneducated right-wing gammons because they rejected the Bullies from Brussels?

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

I wonder if the Swiss are now thick uneducated right-wing gammons because they rejected the Bullies from Brussels?

You really take this stuff far too personally.

 

[ELLERS]

You really take this stuff far too personally.

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing and the need people like you and Femi to tell them it was a ‘mistake’?

 

[ELLERS]

Meanwhile Italy.France and Germany now want to sign post Brexit bilateral deals with the UK... i knew it wouldn't take them long.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Maybe they didn't know what they were doing and the need people like you and Femi to tell them it was a ‘mistake’?

Nobody is obliged to be informed when voting on anything. You can spend years researching the pros and cons of the question posed and have as much of a say as someone who tosses a coin on the day. That’s one reason why a binding (de facto anyway), 50%+1, binary referendum on an extremely complex issue is a stupid idea.

But that was a long time ago. You’ll cheer for more ketchup being produced here and ignore anything costing us multiple times what that’s worth which to be honest I’m bored of pointing out. You really need to let it go and stop dumbing yourself down to the level of a Question Time gammon because we both know you aren’t.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Nobody is obliged to be informed when voting on anything. You can spend years researching the pros and cons of the question posed and have as much of a say as someone who tosses a coin on the day. That’s one reason why a binding (de facto anyway), 50%+1, binary referendum on an extremely complex issue is a stupid idea.

But that was a long time ago. You’ll cheer for more ketchup being produced here and ignore anything costing us multiple times what that’s worth which to be honest I’m bored of pointing out. You really need to let it go and stop dumbing yourself down to the level of a Question Time gammon because we both know you aren’t.

The problem with that first paragraph is that we had "experts" like the CBI that prophesied that Brexit would bring economic disaster to the UK. Put it another way, I probably have as much chance of predicting the weather this time next year, as the Met Office.

 

[ELLERS]

Nobody is obliged to be informed when voting on anything. You can spend years researching the pros and cons of the question posed and have as much of a say as someone who tosses a coin on the day. That’s one reason why a binding (de facto anyway), 50%+1, binary referendum on an extremely complex issue is a stupid idea.

But that was a long time ago. You’ll cheer for more ketchup being produced here and ignore anything costing us multiple times what that’s worth which to be honest I’m bored of pointing out. You really need to let it go and stop dumbing yourself down to the level of a Question Time gammon because we both know you aren’t.

I have reported a few negative bits . I said the NI protocol was a mess and they should never had signed that agreement. I also said the fishing was problematic. However I can also see (unlike a few) how dreadful the EU has become. They were bad before we left and worse now. They are acting like muppets but will regret these stupid actions at a later date. They will come knocking regarding new deals and defence. The Eurozone is in the S22t and EU countries are struggling.
Other than the usual negative rubbish in the Guardian and Independent most papers are starting to say that we are doing okay. Things will get sorted and in 5 years we will look back and wonder why we didn’t do it sooner bar you and a few fanatics.

 

[kiwiqpr]

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John Redwood

@johnredwood

Yesterday the BBC asked me to appear on Newsnight about CV 19.
I agreed a time and the link.
Later they wanted to know in more detail what I would say.
Then they failed to send the link as the way of cancelling.
Clearly I had the wrong views for their story line.
Yet again.

 

[kiwiqpr]

no much distancing there

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[kiwiqpr]

MitreGary

@mitrebarnet

Does anyone believe a word now?

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[kiwiqpr]

look at all those desperate woman and children fleeing france

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Illegal channel migrants threaten ‘mob unrest’ on arrival over housing delays
The record numbers of illegal migrants expect to be moved quickly to their accommodation, says Border Force union
telegraph.co.uk

 

[Stroller]

Kiwi's clearing his inbox.

 

[rangercol]

He's really had little opportunity to set out his priorities for Labour during the pandemic, but now is the time to do just that. I just hope he doesn't go all Blairite and centrist, but comes up with proposals that are radical enough to enthuse the left

 

[ELLERS]

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[Stroller]

I don't expect you to understand, Col. If Labour had to stoop to chasing votes from such as yourself they might as well pack up altogether.

 

[rangercol]

I don't expect you to understand, Col. If Labour had to stoop to chasing votes from such as yourself they might as well pack up altogether.

Yeah. Much better to go after the Corbyn voters.