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  1. Robertson

    Robertson Well-Known Member

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    Marks out of 10 for the season:

    KLD 9

    LJ 7

    Senior players 7

    Youth players 9

    This board 8

    Covid -6
     
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  2. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    I'd go along with all of that but would give the owner a 10 without question ...

    ... I'm only speaking from what I've already seen but we're blessed to have him based on that.
     
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  3. Robertson

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    I nearly put 10. The potential is amazing and the groundwork so far is very promising.
     
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  4. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    The groundwork is the key for me.

    It's not only way overdue but shows a financial commitment to the club. If this, as I believe, KLD is investing his own money it ensures he'll want success even if that requires a continued input. Even if it's purely a money making exercise, which I doubt, he'll need us to be doing well with a properly maintained stadium, facilities and academy.

    It's win win for us.
     
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  5. Reggie the Cheddar

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    KLD too early

    LJ must go

    Senior players 3

    Youth players 7

    This board too early
     
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  6. Reggie the Cheddar

    Reggie the Cheddar Well-Known Member

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    I'm confident in KLD but a 10 right now? That's a bit generous.
    For me it's to early to judge the board/owner as their moves are slower and more long term and will not really bare fruit for sometime to come.
    The manager and players are fair game though and they've been ****e.
     
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  7. Robertson

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    Fair comment.
     
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  8. Smug in Boots

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    As I say, I judge him and everyone else on what I know ...

    ... at the moment you're both a 10.
     
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  9. Draig

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    Marks out of 10 for the season:

    KLD 7 He is putting plenty in place for our future but that success can only be judged in the future. Meanwhile we are where we are and where we are is still in League Two having missed out on his target of automatic promotion.

    LJ 6 - generally unable to get players to play for him. Always ready with a dull half time talk to dampen down the blaze of excitement kindled in a good first half performance and some strange substitutions. All point to less than spectacular man management ability.

    Senior players 5 - a couple of good performances but poor consistency and mostly struggled even when we gained 3 points.

    Youth players 9 - would have been a 10 but they were denied any real opportunity to support our first team effort.

    This board 8 - petty squabbles broke out too often toward the end of our season

    Covid 10 - well and truly screwed up the world, what more could any pandemic infective agent ask of itself?!
     
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  10. The Norton Cat

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    KLD 9. He's started doing the groundwork that the club requires. So far, all he's done has been good.

    LJ 8. Dragged a mediocre team that was going nowhere under Parkinson to the brink of promotion. Oh, and won us a cup at Wembley for the first time in 48 years.

    Senior players 6.75. Won us a cup at Wembley for the first time in 48 years. Almost got promoted but really weren't quite good enough for that.

    Youth players 7. Had a great season at their level but as few made the breakthrough to the first team it must be considered that they're not (yet) an improvement on the senior players.

    This board. Highly variable.

    Covid 19?
     
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  11. Sorry mate,but giving KLD a 7 is a no! It's obvious to everyone and his dog,this fella has bought into this club and is creating a best in class off the field in order to attain a best in class on the field.
    To score a seven,is disingenuous and petty.It's a 10,until we discover that he's not as committed as we think he is.....which the evidence so far indicates is very far from the case!
    Agree with Covid at a 10,over the road should be 99.5 and on here a struggling 9.5......it's got really girly bitchy at times too.
    Senior players less than 5 and youth players cannot be scored....no evidence.
     
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  12. Smug in Boots

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    Louis-Dreyfus said.

    "I truly believe we can get promoted this season because we have a very strong squad, a good manager and the league is still open to play.

    "However, we need to follow our long-term plan. We can't panic if we fall short this year."
     
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  13. Bank of England 2

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    And Parky -3,740 and counting!
     
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  14. Vincemac

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    Yeah I’ll go with that just
     
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  15. Draig

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    10 out of 10 is perfection. We didn't get promoted so KLD cannot possibly be adjudged to be a perfect owner can he? Nor can it be said that we have a prefect ownership structure - not with Donald's presence still stinking the place out.

    Setting up things for the future is a good thing, but we don’t know how well they will work out. I can only judge results, not intentions, and positive results are a little thin on the ground just now. When he arrived a lot was made of us going to have a plan for a playing style and recruiting to fit that but in his recent statement Speakman has just told us we haven't yet decided on what our playing style will be. To my mind that is really odd as you would want the 1st team coach to be recruited to fit such a playing philosophy.

    Now these are just niggles, but they aren't perfection and so I felt a need to keep my hopes in check and my feet on the ground. 7 out of 10 is a good score for a work in progress and I doubt that KLD would score himself much higher!
     
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    "Speakman has just told us we haven't yet decided on what our playing style will be"

    Where did he say that.
     
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    In the fans meeting minutes he says the playing style to be adopted is youthful, energetic with bold decision making but that currently short term requirements may take precidence. That is a hugely vague statement and not a playing strategy.

    This, alongside the admittance that it will be a number of years before our data driven recruiting will be up and running properly, seems to indicate that our playing style will be dictated more by whom we can recruit than the other way around.

    Also, in his 10 minute interview Speakman says that the club identity isn't yet known and that playing style is behind (ie underpins?) the club's identity.
     
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  18. Nordic

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    Out of interest, can you source examples of other clubs defined statements depicting their playing styles and club identities?

    I'm genuinely interested to see which clubs describe this, what they say and how long it took them to get there.

    It took my company (the one i work for) a good two years to settle on its new global brand, mission statement, core values etc. We're not a football club...
     
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  19. sheepman

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    That’s a ridiculously negative contrived take on that interview mate. He actually says what playing style they are looking at. But if you want to make things up to fit your narrative then crack on. Seems to be the acceptable thing to do these days
     
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  20. Nig

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    I've just listened to Bolo Zenden

    https://rokerreport.sbnation.com/20...is-on-the-move-as-he-targets-four-free-agents

    It's interesting he left due to lack of desire or ambition.
    An urgency only occurred during flirting with relegation, any other times we seemed to just wander along aimlessly.
    Maybe because Short was detached apart from digging into the coffers to plaster over the cracks. This seemed to filter down to management and players.
    It's criminal when you look at some of the players we've had then look at what the likes of Leicester have achieved.
    Bruce is a fine example of mediocre shìt going through the motions just doing enough.
    Then came Rodwell that highlighted what CM quite rightly pointed out as a pìss take party.
    Unfortunately stripping assets to the bare bones went past "trimming down finances".

    Now we have KLD, young, enthusiastic, motivated, interested and hands on. His family now seem to be backing him more and he's got straight to the task of rebuilding everything.
    Ok we aren't in the premier League but He's doing everything needed to get us back there and his presence and enthusiasm hopefully will see a much better attitude with ambition when we get there.
    Up to now I give KLD 10/10


    The players are a mixed bag. Grigg for instance didn't look like he wanted to be here.
    The other end of the scale, O'nien, I hope he stays.

    Lee Johnson.
    Well he sent Grigg on loan and got a tune from Wyke.
    Sure he made mistakes but he only had 5 months and a lot of injuries.
    We were going nowhere under Parky and ended up one of the best teams both attacking and defence.
    So credit to him.


    We're not guaranteed promotion next season, but we're doing everything to achieve it.
    KTF.
     
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