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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Ironic.

I don’t think almost any normal person had the required knowledge to make an informed decision in hindsight. It’s proven to be an even more complex issue than it was assumed to be before. The ineptitude and lack of understanding from the likes of Frost at the very top show that. Far, far more complex and important than just about any other referenda in the world I can think of, with no option to ask the question again once people were a tad more informed, no requirement for honesty in the campaigns and a straight 50%+1 required for the win and no real potential for politicians to veto it, it was always a recipe for disaster. If it’s a sensible way to run a country we’d be doing it all the time. Sadly Cameron gambled on shutting down the UKIP element in his party and losing that gamble has empowered the absolute dregs of society. Neatly culminating in your faux-shock at Marcus Rashford this morning.
Oh please did you really say this! I have to pop out but will be back to explain a few things to you. Arrogant tw2t mate.
 
Just as amazing that those who thought Cummings was full of **** and now believe him is the response of Hancocks colleagues saying we shouldnt believe a man who blatantly broke the rules in lockdown. Erm.....the same people who were instructed to defend him for his cock and bull story. What a state politics is in this country. Very poor and low standards all round.
 
It's called democracy. And I guarantee most Brexit voters had a better idea what they wanted in their lives than Grandpa and Diane.

Why is it you can never stick to the subject and as always you try and divert attention? Just because A does it doesn't mean it's okay for B?

Anyway I want to get back to your ‘education comments’. So it's not okay for the thick UK electorate to have a referendum with ‘yes or no’ or ‘in & out’ but it's okay for other countries to do exactly the same?
Femi please explain this. Enlighten us why normal people are not responsible enough to make a decision yet someone like you can.
Please explain.

Did the fishermen know what they were voting for, or the farmers, or businessmen in Northern Ireland, or anyone who believed the bullshit on the bus?

All of these were lied to by Johnson and have been shafted.

I'll tell you who did know what they were voting for, though - all the racists and xenophobes.
 
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Did the fishermen know what they were voting for, or the farmers, or businessmen in Northern Ireland, or anyone who believed the bullshit on the bus?

All of these were lied to by Johnson and have been shafted.

I'll tell you who did know what they were voting for, though - all the racists and xenophobes.

The fishermen will do well over time. British farmers will evolve to produce higher quality products and be subsidised to be custodians of the countryside, much needed. NI needs compromise on both sides to work.

It's not racist or xenophobic to want to trade globally instead of in the closed shop that is the EU.
 
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Batley school protests: Teacher allowed back in Prophet Muhammad image row
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A teacher who was suspended after showing children a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad can return to the classroom.

Protests were held outside Batley Grammar School after the teacher showed an image during a religious studies lesson in March.

An independent investigation found the teacher did not intend to cause offence by showing the image.

The school said it would offer more guidance and training for staff.

The image was shown on more than one occasion to students during lessons earlier this year, the investigation found.

Demonstrators gathered outside the school gates on two occasions, with some calling for the teacher to be sacked.


In an executive summary of the report, the trust said teaching staff "genuinely believed that using the image had an educational purpose and benefit".

But the trust said it recognised that using the image did cause "deep offence" to a number of students, parents and members of the school community, adding that it "deeply regrets the distress" caused.

'Suspensions lifted'
A spokeswoman for the Batley Multi Academy Trust said the school would put the recommendations from the report "into practice immediately".

She added: "The findings are clear, that the teaching staff involved did not use the resource with the intention of causing offence, and that the topics covered by the lesson could have been effectively addressed in other ways.

"In the light of those conclusions, the suspensions put in place while the investigation was under way will now be lifted."

The National Education Union said it was "pleased the correct decision has been reached" following the lifting of the suspension.


A Department for Education spokesperson said parents, families and the local community should "welcome and support the trust's comprehensive plan to strengthen its oversight of the curriculum".

However, in a statement, Batley Parents and Community Partnership (BPCP), said while they "acknowledge and welcome the lessons learnt" they were "disappointed at the lack of clarity, transparency and rationale behind some of the findings".

The statement said "given the background of this caricature", the report "fails to address how it is possible that teachers were unaware of the offence it would cause".

The group also claimed representatives were supposed to have "played an active role" in the investigation and drafting of the report, something it said "didn't transpire".

The statement added that parents and the wider community needed to "come together calmly" to review the next steps.
 
I'd say the veracity of Cummings's testimony was pretty much confirmed today by the lack of significant rebuttal from Johnson or Hancock, particularly over care homes.

'Look over there, a vaccine!'
 
After a days reflection I would probably say there maybe some truth in some of this, however Cummings had the privilege of working with the PM and was involved in highly sensitive meetings. He didn't need to try and point score or hang out the dirty washing in public. History tells us that Churchill made mistakes and cost lives. Downing St during the war was not always this command centre depicted in films. Cummings should have kept his gob shut and said all this at an inquiry or in some book in a few years. It was to cause maximum damage to the PM and Hancock (who was one of the main voices who wanted him gone). A poll last night said 75% of the votes didn't believe Cummings. I have said all along that this was unprecedented and mistakes will always happen. We learn from them and move on.
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What poll are you getting your confirmation bias from?
 
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Ironic.

I don’t think almost any normal person had the required knowledge to make an informed decision in hindsight. It’s proven to be an even more complex issue than it was assumed to be before. The ineptitude and lack of understanding from the likes of Frost at the very top show that. Far, far more complex and important than just about any other referenda in the world I can think of, with no option to ask the question again once people were a tad more informed, no requirement for honesty in the campaigns and a straight 50%+1 required for the win and no real potential for politicians to veto it, it was always a recipe for disaster. If it’s a sensible way to run a country we’d be doing it all the time. Sadly Cameron gambled on shutting down the UKIP element in his party and losing that gamble has empowered the absolute dregs of society. Neatly culminating in your faux-shock at Marcus Rashford this morning.
Sorry for my late reply Femi but it was sunny yesterday and I enjoyed a nice day out.

I don’t know where to start with your conceited rant? However I will try and answer a few points. It won’t make a difference tbh because you seem firmly stuck up your own arse.

You say:

“I don’t think almost any normal person had the required knowledge to make an informed decision in hindsight. It’s proven to be an even more complex issue than it was assumed to be before”.

Once again, you seem to think that people are not capable of making an informed choice. I would add if the ‘remain’ campaign had explained things better rather other than saying ‘everyones first born will be blind’ if we leave, then things may have been different. It was a cr2p campaign that used project fear. Blame your antisemite mate Jezza as well. That idiot actually confused voters ffs. So before you blame slogans on buses look a little nearer to home.

You can’t accept a democratic result and you belittle voters.
You’re description of ‘public are ****ing idiots’ and “We aren’t a particularly educated nation, politically or otherwise”. is not only ill-informed but arrogant. You make yourself look a 2222 every time you say crap like that. Recent research has shown that the public are actually more engaged with politics, especially the young.

As for wanting another vote:

We’ve had enough division in this country caused by idiots like you who cannot except the result. when you lose a vote you respect the result, it’s called ‘losers consent’. I did when the odious Blair won and I would have if ‘Remain’ had won.

Now I know you and the Femi ilk of society were told at school that you can’t lose, but that is not how things work in the real world. Acting like spoilt children and wanting another go at it would have only ended in more tears as ‘Leave’ would have won by a bigger margin. Fortunately we do have some decent ‘remainers’ that respected the result.

As for Cameron… if you are going to discuss someone that I know quite a lot about, at least get your immature facts right. Cameron actually thought that holding a referendum was the right thing to do. He believed that the British public should be given a say on the EU as he felt the “institution had changed beyond recognition”. I have just recently read his views on the subject. Remember the ‘non non non’.

When we joined the EEC in 1973 we're the people told then how integrated the EU would become... No. they just had a … yes/no vote. Yet when we want to leave you think a yes/no vote is not good enough (and that the public doesn’t understand because they are all thick uneducated gammons).
Many deals like Maastricht treaty were sneaked in without having a vote. Where was our say then? That wasn’t what they told us before was it?

How the EU have acted since December should prove to most decent people what they are really all about. The Swiss are the latest to see it. Spend 5 minutes of your precious time and read up on it.

I understand you and a few others will not accept the result and will keep trying to run this country down. As I have said before if you don’t like this country and how we run it, then F’off to Europe or China and bore them with your cr2p.
 
It was Comrade Eeliov
Back to name calling bob? I doesn't take long for you does it? Anyway I thought you had thrown your toys out of the pram and left again? and again and again. Sorry I have lost count at the amount of times you say that.