Off Topic Hartlepool Bye Election

[janey]

A lot of people remember how Labour MP's in this area didn't back a single Brexit proposal from either side of the house, despite their constituents overwhelmingly wanting it. If you put the party before your constituents, don't be too surprised when they don't vote for you. Personally, I'll only consider voting Labour again in my constituency, when Bridget the Midget calls it a day.

I do understand your general point but, a genuine question?
How do you feel about Johnson writing two articles, one supporting leave and one supporting remain and waiting to see the outcome before he published one (he was fundamentally a remainer) and also
about Matt Hancock. A self confessed remainer, until of course he realised his career could be enhanced by switching.
Personally I think it takes more guts to stand by your beliefs and principles and risk the wrath of your constituents and your career than be a hypocrite. Surely nobody would want a hypocrite in a position of power and influence would they

 

[G Force Ghost]

Not sure if he is a politician as such, more of a loud mounted tawt, he recognised that a lot of folk (myself included) wanted out of Europe...so did Bonko...

Does not stop both of them being cnuts..

Labour made the mistake of ignoring lots of their supporters who wanted out of Europe... in hindsight they should have backed May's deal...

Agree

 

[Bank of England 2]

The Lub Dems want us back in the EU FFS!!

A vote winning policy? Think they’re finished along with Labour.

it’s always going to be difficult for them whilst they continue condemning BREXIT, a policy that the majority of the country wanted.

YES that’s how dumb these political party’s are.

Oh & where is the proof that Boris is corrupt?

There was nothing more corrupt than the EU and their non elected commission!! They’ve not been able to get accounts audited since the early 90s.

Oh and say what you like about Farage, he might be a smug arrogant buffoon, but he was completely right about the EU, and is probably the most successful politician EVER!!

Bart

As I said, the Lib Dems keep campaigning for things that people don't want or couldn't give a **** about, so they're cutting their noses off to spite their face. Don't know where I said Boris was corrupt mind. I think that must have come from someone else. Agree about the EU though - Bunch of incompetent arseholes.

 

[Sunderpitt]

Have you been brain washed?

Bart

Bart... you mean corruption like..

Olympic stadium

Garden bridge

American Big tits grants

All the tories and their mates stitching up Covid 19 deals

Whatever the fcuk is going on in doing up his no 10 flat and his childcare

Not forgetting being booted out of his job as a journalist for telling blatant lies or when he tried to get somebody to kick the siht of someone he was having a row with?

 

[Bank of England 2]

Via The Independent

What a “Government for the people”. And this through a Pandemic killing tens of thousands.

“Of 1,200 central government contracts – worth £16bn in total – handed out by the government during the pandemic, around £8bn went to companies run by friends and associates of Tory politicians, or to those with a history of controversy or no previous experience”.

'The Independent' is anything but Independent mind.

 

[G Force Ghost]

'The Independent' is anything but Independent mind.

You’re right. Owned by a multi billionaire

The facts are the facts mind. If anyone can’t see the corruption around the Covid contracts then maybe they’re just refusing to look...

 

[janey]

Bart... you mean corruption like..

Olympic stadium

Garden bridge

American Big tits grants

All the tories and their mates stitching up Covid 19 deals

Whatever the fcuk is going on in doing up his no 10 flat and his childcare

Not forgetting being booted out of his job as a journalist for telling blatant lies or when he tried to get somebody to kick the siht of someone he was having a row with?

Doesn’t matter, he’s a lad and got Brexit done.
I do wonder, what some of those defending him, would think of him if he’d treated their daughters like he’s treated other people’s daughters.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I do understand your general point but, a genuine question?
How do you feel about Johnson writing two articles, one supporting leave and one supporting remain and waiting to see the outcome before he published one (he was fundamentally a remainer) and also
about Matt Hancock. A self confessed remainer, until of course he realised his career could be enhanced by switching.
Personally I think it takes more guts to stand by your beliefs and principles and risk the wrath of your constituents and your career than be a hypocrite. Surely nobody would want a hypocrite in a position of power and influence would they

Insomuch as they are meant to be representatives of their constituents, I think its absolutely right that MPs put their own beliefs to one side in order to better represent the people that they have been chosen by to represent them. I don't see anything hypocritical in that, just them fulfilling the task they have been given.

 

[janey]

Insomuch as they are meant to be representatives of their constituents, I think its absolutely right that MPs put their own beliefs to one side in order to better represent the people that they have been chosen by to represent them. I don't see anything hypocritical in that, just them fulfilling the task they have been given.

But if it was known she was a leaver and it was, then switched to remain, she’d be called a hypocrite. We know she would be.
And that ignores the point that both Johnson and Hancock were remain but appear to get a pass when they switched. And one is now the Prime Minister ffs
I’m not defending Bridget by the way, but there can’t be a criticism/defence of one without the other surely

 

[Bank of England 2]

I do understand your general point but, a genuine question?
How do you feel about Johnson writing two articles, one supporting leave and one supporting remain and waiting to see the outcome before he published one (he was fundamentally a remainer) and also
about Matt Hancock. A self confessed remainer, until of course he realised his career could be enhanced by switching.
Personally I think it takes more guts to stand by your beliefs and principles and risk the wrath of your constituents and your career than be a hypocrite. Surely nobody would want a hypocrite in a position of power and influence would they

You make a reasonable point Janey, but ultimately the role of an MP is to represent their constituents, particularly on something as important as Brexit.

On a few occasions, there were only a handful of votes difference for some of the motions that were put before the house. Had these MP's listened to their constituents instead of the Chief Whip of their Party, then Teresa May would have had her Parliamentary mandate and the two people you mention might not have ended up in the offices that they did.

I was once a member of the Labour Party, but the current party bears no resemblance to the one I joined. For the record, I voted for Brexit and as a result voted Tory in the last election, as the alternatives were either too right wing, not in favour of Brexit (Lib Dems) or sitting on the fence not sure what they wanted (Labour).

 

[Sunderpitt]

Insomuch as they are meant to be representatives of their constituents, I think its absolutely right that MPs put their own beliefs to one side in order to better represent the people that they have been chosen by to represent them. I don't see anything hypocritical in that, just them fulfilling the task they have been given.

I probably agree with you on this point.I reckon if Farage's brexit party had not nicked a load of the votes off the tories in 2019, the cons would have won. The Labour candidate was a remainer unlike most of her constituency.

Whereas i disagree with you when at times you seem to bend over backwards to defend those born with a spoon in their mouth.

 

[master-simpson]

Bart... you mean corruption like..

Olympic stadium

Garden bridge

American Big tits grants

All the tories and their mates stitching up Covid 19 deals

Whatever the fcuk is going on in doing up his no 10 flat and his childcare

Not forgetting being booted out of his job as a journalist for telling blatant lies or when he tried to get somebody to kick the siht of someone he was having a row with?

Got to do better than heresay & political tittle-tattle.

I think u you, Janey & G-Spot are somewhat Deluded.

Bart

 

[Bank of England 2]

But if it was known she was a leaver and it was, then switched to remain, she’d be called a hypocrite. We know she would be.
And that ignores the point that both Johnson and Hancock were remain but appear to get a pass when they switched.
I’m not defending Bridget by the way, but there can’t be a criticism/defence of one without the other surely

What's the point of holding a Referendum at all, if MP's are just going to toe the party line instead of following their constituents clear mandate in the Referendum? If they have a problem with that they could at least abstain.

 

[janey]

You make a reasonable point Janey, but ultimately the role of an MP is to represent their constituents, particularly on something as important as Brexit.

On a few occasions, there were only a handful of votes difference for some of the motions that were put before the house. Had these MP's listened to their constituents instead of the Chief Whip of their Party, then Teresa May would have had her Parliamentary mandate and the two people you mention might not have ended up in the offices that they did.

I was once a member of the Labour Party, but the current party bears no resemblance to the one I joined. For the record, I voted for Brexit and as a result voted Tory in the last election, as the alternatives were either too right wing, not in favour of Brexit (Lib Dems) or sitting on the fence not sure what they wanted (Labour).

I don’t disagree, but as I just said in a previous post, she was a remainer, if she’d changed stance after the referendum she’d have been called a hypocrite.
She stood by her principles (which in any walk of life is most important to me) and potentially risked her career in doing so.
Where as Johnson gets to be PM for abandoning his principles from remain to leave.

 

[janey]

What's the point of holding a Referendum at all, if MP's are just going to toe the party line instead of following their constituents clear mandate in the Referendum? If they have a problem with that they could at least abstain.

Johnson was remain until he saw a power grab

 

[Sunderpitt]

Got to do better than heresay & political tittle-tattle.

I think u you, Janey & G-Spot are somewhat Deluded.

Bart

Somebody is for sure.. if it smells like siht and looks like siht it probably is siht... and it keeps happening! AC12 should be put on the job...

 

[G Force Ghost]

Got to do better than heresay & political tittle-tattle.

I think u you, Janey & G-Spot are somewhat Deluded.

Bart

G-Spot

Got a comedian in the house here... **** material mind

 

[The Norton Cat]

But if it was known she was a leaver and it was, then switched to remain, she’d be called a hypocrite. We know she would be.
And that ignores the point that both Johnson and Hancock were remain but appear to get a pass when they switched. And one is now the Prime Minister ffs
I’m not defending Bridget by the way, but there can’t be a criticism/defence of one without the other surely

I was talking hypothetically really.
I think there's a distinction to be made. Jumping horses for personal gain is wholly wrong. Working for your constituents, even if it goes against your own beliefs, is wholly right.

 

[janey]

Got to do better than heresay & political tittle-tattle.

I think u you, Janey & G-Spot are somewhat Deluded.

Bart

You know what there so few I’d wish ill and misfortune on, but I’ll always make an exception for a selfish, ill informed, despicable t**t.
I hope misfortune befalls you and you suffer like so many under this Tory government.

 

[Bank of England 2]

Johnson was remain until he saw a power grab

Teresa May was also a remainer, but as Prime Minister at the time, it was her job to get Brexit done. She tried (not hard enough in my eyes) but failed. In my opinion, The 1922 Committee should have only sought nominations from candidates who had voted 'Leave', as that was the biggest thing facing the Government at that time. To have a Prime Minister negotiating for something she clearly didn't want was ludicrous.