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brownbagtiger said:
I’m surprised there isn’t more sympathy here for the fans here - here is a club where the distant, aloof owners treat it like a business, ignore fans and fan organisations yet also oversee a successful period in the club’s history. Has many parallels with us and other clubs up and down the leagues.

it’s an emotional battle for United’s soul, and many of them haven’t really come to terms with the way things have been going since Martin Edwards was chairman back in the 80s. These fans are certainly not the plastics accepting PL football at any cost. They want the old community spirit back, the feeling that they and the club are one and the owners are just the custodians holding it in trust. Problem is, that kind of club doesn’t exist in the upper leagues any more and they need to accept that if that is what they want then FC United or Salford are the clubs for them.
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Or accept joining The World Series of Non Competitive Football.
 
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askewshair said:
Agreed
It exasperated me to hear Boris quoted as saying football supporters have many avenues so can let their feelings known without resorting to protest. As we all know on here, that couldn't be further from the truth (certainly those views been listened to).
Not condoning the 200+ minority who took it too far and hope the seriously injured copper is ok.
but scenes like yesterday are inevitable if football supporters are not listened to. I guess also normally supporters will vent their anger on a Saturday at 3pm (or whenever), but because of Covid, haven't been able to.
Hopefully it is a bit of a reminder that fans do have power and a wake up call to football administrators and politicians. Different club's fans have their own protests against owners.
The ESL has maybe in some way united a large sector of supporters across the board. It is ironic that It's only the top six directly affected, and because the beautiful brand has been brought into disrepute. But maybe that will provoke a genuine look at the situation across the board.
I'm sure I did hear Boris mention fan ownership in his response to the ESL, which was encouraging, but he needs to follow up with actions.
Maybe I am being uncharacteristically optimistic?
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Boris says what he thinks people want him to say.
He didn’t mean it, most politicians don’t.
In fact I very much doubt he could legislate for it.
If people want something then they have to be responsible for getting it. Protests, decisions on where they spend their money, who they vote for, which team they support etc.
We, collectively, can change things, if enough of us want to.

Normally not enough can be arsed. TWT if things have changed
 
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over18and legal said:
Are you saying it's ok for the mobbing then?
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Yeah. Protests are meant to be inconvenient. A protest which adheres to rules and regulations is a **** protest. What good is a protest if it conforms to a standard accepted by the people being protested against? Preventing televised games affects the Glazers’ bottom line.

Like I said, Sky whipped up the ESL protests then started pearl-clutching when fans protested in an ‘unsavoury’ manner that they didn’t approve of. Preventing the Utd-Liverpool game ruined their ‘Super Sunday’ and affected their bottom line. When some pundits refused to toe the the line and opposed the presenter’s narrative, they wrapped things up quickly.
 
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Barchullona said:
Someone on here was telling us easy it would be for fans to buy a club if everyone stuck in a few quid each.[/
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brownbagtiger said:
They want the old community spirit back, the feeling that they and the club are one and the owners are just the custodians holding it in trust. Problem is, that kind of club doesn’t exist in the upper leagues any more and they need to accept that if that is what they want then FC United or Salford are the clubs for them.
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No one has ever said that fan ownership would be easy. But when fans are critical and snipe at those who try to do things, it is actually harder.

By the way, supporters in the KC, booed the protests during the games. If you asked the majority of City supporters, they would have said that they support the anti Allam protests, but not during a game.

I supported that view myself.
 
askewshair said:
Agreed
It exasperated me to hear Boris quoted as saying football supporters have many avenues so can let their feelings known without resorting to protest. As we all know on here, that couldn't be further from the truth (certainly those views been listened to).
Not condoning the 200+ minority who took it too far and hope the seriously injured copper is ok.
but scenes like yesterday are inevitable if football supporters are not listened to. I guess also normally supporters will vent their anger on a Saturday at 3pm (or whenever), but because of Covid, haven't been able to.
Hopefully it is a bit of a reminder that fans do have power and a wake up call to football administrators and politicians. Different club's fans have their own protests against owners.
The ESL has maybe in some way united a large sector of supporters across the board. It is ironic that It's only the top six directly affected, and because the beautiful brand has been brought into disrepute. But maybe that will provoke a genuine look at the situation across the board.
I'm sure I did hear Boris mention fan ownership in his response to the ESL, which was encouraging, but he needs to follow up with actions.
Maybe I am being uncharacteristically optimistic?
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It's not only the top six affected, it goes all the way down to Park Football. The Pyramid stretches out a long way in many directions.
 
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The Omega Man said:
No one has ever said that fan ownership would be easy. But when fans are critical and snipe at those who try to do things, it is actually harder.

By the way, supporters in the KC, booed the protests during the games. If you asked the majority of City supporters, they would have said that they support the anti Allam protests, but not during a game.

I supported that view myself.
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“You can protest but not during a game, when it would be most effective, because it’s inconvenient to me”

Exact sort of attitude I’m referring to.
 
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Wrecking the posts was a huge own goal. The Glazers will now probably ban all fans. Revenue from gate receipts is a drop in the ocean when compared to tv, broadcasting and image rights.
Not that I care a jot about the fate of the seedy six!
 
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Won't they be arrested for not wearing masks?
 
Kalman said:
“You can protest but not during a game, when it would be most effective, because it’s inconvenient to me”

Exact sort of attitude I’m referring to.
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It is my view that protesting during the game actually loses support for the cause, rather than builds it.
If you want to protest, it has to be effective and whilst it makes headlines, protest during a game divides the supporter base. That’s the reason why the I don’t believe in it.
I support the team not the owners and when the game is on, that is why I am there.
 
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The Omega Man said:
It is my view that protesting during the game actually loses support for the cause, rather than builds it.
If you want to protest, it has to be effective and whilst it makes headlines, protest during a game divides the supporter base. That’s the reason why the I don’t believe in it.
I support the team not the owners and when the game is on, that is why I am there.
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“Don’t go on strike during the week, it will be divisive to the other workers. Go on strike on Sunday when we’re closed.”
 
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Kalman said:
“Don’t go on strike during the week, it will be divisive to the other workers. Go on strike on Sunday when we’re closed.”
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The fact is that not one protest that stopped a game actually did anything other than stop the game and divide supporters.
Not one protest, before during or after a game actually brought the support together did it.
So you prove to me how effective the game stopping protests were and I will say I am wrong and you are right. Go on, prove me wrong with facts and not wishy washy sound bites.
 
The Omega Man said:
The fact is that not one protest that stopped a game actually did anything other than stop the game and divide supporters.
Not one protest, before during or after a game actually brought the support together did it.
So you prove to me how effective the game stopping protests were and I will say I am wrong and you are right. Go on, prove me wrong with facts and not wishy washy sound bites.
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10,000 Liverpool fans walked out at the 77th minute in protest of ticket prices. The owners caved and reduced the ticket prices after.
 
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The Omega Man said:
The fact is that not one protest that stopped a game actually did anything other than stop the game and divide supporters.
Not one protest, before during or after a game actually brought the support together did it.
So you prove to me how effective the game stopping protests were and I will say I am wrong and you are right. Go on, prove me wrong with facts and not wishy washy sound bites.
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The tennis balls on the pitch at Bolton away in 1998 were popular, non violent and largely effective in getting rid of David Lloyd.
 
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