Off Topic Politics Thread

What is XR?

 

The Shrewsbury 24 convictions overturned on appeal, almost 50 years late.

https://www.itv.com/news/central/20...c0QvC3fea7pX_hGBQgXvIj3whZVYRBNXcwjUUBBisFZVE

 

Definition. XR. Extended-Release (pharmaceuticals) XR. X-Ray.
More here https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/XR

 

Extinction Rebellion

 

I've a feeling, call me a cynical old git if you want, that red&right knows what XR are/is in the context of Kait's post.

 

I see that Johnson is hoping that increased numbers of deaths in other countries late with the vaccine will save him from the legacy of being responsible for the highest covid19 death rate.

Hoping people die in order to save your reputation is reprehensible.

This man has to held to account. Thousands of unnecessary deaths, an economy in ruins, giving our obscene amounts of money to his chums, and messed up lives of our young people are all his responsibility.

Come on Starmer we are looking to you to get this lying bastard and end his political career.

 

No I didn’t actually, otherwise I wouldn’t have asked the question. I have heard of Extinction Rebellion but probably the fact it starts with an X has me confused.

 

That doesn’t seem totally correct Godders to be fair. No one wants other people to die, we get you dont like him for his politics, and I agree with you on many of the things people say about him, but not wishing people die.

Also, we dont have the highest deaths, one of the highest, and who knows how bad it may unfortunately get anywhere else in the world. But i am not sure you can give a definitive conclusion on something that clearly has many many months or years to run.

Also, I’m sure our economy isn’t great, perhaps not ruins though, and in fairness to the government, they have done fairly well supporting furlough and the like.

Giving money to mates, may be some credence to that.

Not sure what he has done to young people, but then I’m not got educated as good as you socialists

 

Thanks Chilco

 

In case anyone ever wondered what electoral suicide looks like.

 

This pair need to get up earlier if they are to get one over on Nicola - their bullying tactics, supported by the BBC and most of the press, has backfired on them.

 

Starmer seems intent on finishing the job the Tories did in wrecking the Labour party. Labour has gone from a party with progressive policies that would have benefited the majority of people in this country, to a bland nothingness devoid of any direction. A lot of people held out so much hope for what could have been and now we get to witness a party that is crippled by its own lack of vision. It's tragic that things have come to this, but politics is so badly broken that I can't see any way back for Labour with Starmer at the helm.

It will take a massive social upheaval, with nation wide riots bordering on a revolution to bring about real progressive change in this country, and if there was ever a government able to lead us to that point, the Tories are certainly it. With their erosion of our personal freedoms, policies which keep an ever increasing number of people on or below the poverty line, the time is likely to come when folk will just not take any more. Then things will change.

 

The tragedy is that most pro-EU people felt that in Starmer, there was a leader who could win back the Red Wall seats by consistently, over and over again, pointing out what they, and the rest of us, have lost with Brexit. A chance that in 5 or 10 years we could reapply for EU membership and resume our place at the high table. Instead he has totally capitulated and is now nothing more than a vague nuisance once a week at PMQ’s.

Labour’s demise will be sealed when the SNP win the Scottish Parliamentary elections in May and embark on the route to indyref2. Labour are caught between two stools, as opposing independence, the traditional party line, will lose them votes, whereas if they change course and back the SNP, they lose any chance of ever forming a majority at Westminster.

Once Scottish Independence has been achieved, Labour may as well pack up and go home.

 

I'm pretty sure all those red seats that turned blue was because the north is generally pro brexit so i'm not sure i agree with this analysis.

 

The only answer to save the U.K. is for the left and centre Unionist parties to coalesce (Labour, Lib Dem’s and Green E&W), possibly loosely like you see in some other countries where they retain their individual identity but don’t stand against each other.

This isn’t the ideal scenario, but it’s the only alternative to the Conservatives made available by FPTP now that the majority of the left in Scotland is heading to the SNP.

Unfortunately the parties appear to be too inept and/or egotistical to allow it, so just plod along as ineffective has beens.

 

Spot on I'm afraid. The current Labour leadership have accepted what the rest of us need to accept; that the Brexit battle is lost, and that it also lost Labour the last election. Absolutely no point refighting a battle you've already lost twice.

Regarding Labour's more general move to the right, I'm not particularly happy with that. But then Britain is a small 'c' conservative country.

 

Except that those seats are among those who are and will be worst-affected by Brexit, as they will no doubt realise.

Brexit ain't done, not by a long chalk, and Labour's spineless attitude is a very good reason why I won't be supporting them.

Edit: I think you mean England is a small c conservative country.

On Brexit, Labour lost a lot of votes last year because they DIDN'T oppose Brexit strongly enough. Corbyn showed zero leadership through, just like Starmer now.

 

Well that's fine, but we have left the European Union, and I very much doubt they will be in any desperate hurry to have us back even in the most unlikely event of the majority of the electorate agreeing with you. Sometimes you just have to accept things are as they are, and move on. Then try again in, say, a minimum of 25 years.

 

2 Labour leaders have been elected in my lifetime. Harold Wilson and Tony Blair. Blair moved Labour to the centre and won 3 elections. Wilson, it can be argued, was fairly central within the party, if not a little to the right and won 2 elections. Both won on the back of long periods of Tory rule. Starmer seems to me to be in that area of political thought that has won elections for Labour. That being Social Democracy rather than Socialism. As the populist Johnsonian form of hard right politics bite over the next 3 to 4 years history would suggest this is a sound position to take. Time for patience.

 

Agreed.