I would Jiffie on not 606 is almost certainly in the majority, but hey democracy in the UK died years ago.
Off Topic Colstons Statue - Again
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I would Jiffie on not 606 is almost certainly in the majority, but hey democracy in the UK died years ago.
Then organise a protest and make your point of view known , oh I forgot under Jiffies way you won’t be able to.
They are SCUM.
No other word to describe them. Parasites on society who simply want to destroy anything that represents the government or law and order.
Sometimes the police get things wrong - they are human after all, but this bunch of filth set out with the very aim of attacking them with reckless disregard for the injuries they may cause.
If this was any other country - or this country in any other century - they would hang. Now, I'm not suggesting that we do that, but they would do very well to ponder on what would have happened to them if they had behaved like that in Russia, China or Iran - or even MOST other nations.
You have just defeated your own argument.
Earlier you talked about planned routes etc they planned this demo with the police, the police who actually allowed them to break the law of the land to make their point (try sitting down on your own in the middle of Bristol bridge and see how long you are allowed to remain there) and then arbitarily closed off the M32 and you say that there should be no consequences FFS, so what is the point of planning if the organisers ignore the planning?
..This is one of the reasons I can't wait to retire to Gib - they LOVE the UK there and don't tolerate any of this type of rubbish.
One of my friends is a copper in Port Stanley in the Falklands - they are the same over there.
People have been protesting for years, many of the laws we take for granted are due to them. It allows ordinary folk to have their say. Of course they should be done peacefully but I genuinely believe if we ban them because some are not to our liking we’ll all be worse off.
Of course they will but will have to take a far greater responsibility in a 'civilised society'
I’ve not defeated anything, I’ve no problem with planning routes etc, but policing is down to the police, or should the protesters be responsible for that too? It’s the police role to ensure the route is kept to, the protestors are not able to provide their own policing methods, nor should
No it won’t, if you make it too difficult there won’t be any , I already pointed out all it would take would be for people of the opposing view to the organised demonstration to send in rent a yob to cause trouble, then what ?
Going back to Sunday, the "protest" itself started on College Green in front of the Council house as far as I understand. Does anyone know if the subsequent march was planned, and, if so, was Bridewell the intended end?
Maybe a return to the old riot act is needed?
When a peaceful gathering descends into a riot where the rioters are engaged in a common purpose, a senior officer reads out the riot act warning these vile cowardly thugs that they are now going to be moved and arrested by any means needed.
His answer is only the police have a responsibility for protests from beginning to the bit where a demo turns to extreme violence and the organisers have no responsibility whatsoever, that way only the police and innocent people suffer the consequences and of course the police take the blame.
Apparently from a third party the "protest" on college green was very well mannered.. police asked people to SD and pointed out the protest was against current rules and should go home. the previous weeks leaving of flowers as a rememberance to SE was well avoided and SD was shown as peeps left more or read the tributes. they and a few friends didn't go to march, as were unaware there might be one. They left before 6, but apparently were approached about marching to city centre [ all 4 under 17 -16! ] and declined, they were leaving the green & heading home via Hotwells … they got home, Whitchurch area [ Imperial park ] about 7.15 … and was told about what was going on in Bristol …..
I cant say if it was planned … but would hazard a guess after 6pm it wasn't by the peacefully intended people …. that's when the thugs took over!!!!!
That’s not what I said, at least I don’t think my opinion is the only valid one , unlike you
I’ve no time for violence of any kind , the thugs who attacked police and vehicles should have the full force of the law used against them , but surely you aren’t suggesting they should be hung ?
I didn’t see your remark about not hanging them sorry , but are you really suggesting we use Russia as a template ? ,
I don't think my opinion is the only valid one, it's my opinion full stop.
You said planning routes etc. but nothing else, the Bristol XR liars are claiming in the BristolPost that they plan with the police, to avoid what happened on Sunday which is clearly a lie.
All I am saying the organisers need take far more responsibility. You basically say no only the police should shoulder that responsibility.
When inevitably the 'kill the bill' protest planned in Nottingham turns even more violent than in Bristol, what do you suggest that the police do?, do they stand there like Aunt Sally's and take the violence aimed at them and property? or go on the offensive and crack a few skulls?, because unless you know of a 3rd option that I don't, that is the alternatives on offer.
I am at least offering up my solutions, which clearly you don't agree with and that is fine, so at least offer up your solutions, to the violence and damage.
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I’m saying the policing of any event / rally demonstration whatever is the responsibility of the police, who would you suggest police them , outside security firms , plainly that’s not how it’s done in this country. As long as the organisers have met their legal responsibilities and ideally work with the police there shouldn’t be a problem. Anybody who causes violence should expect to face the full force of the law . I really don’t see this as a controversial issue , and I’m certainly not in anyway suggesting violence should ever be tolerated