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Who confirmed it, Kay Burley or another journo of her stature at Sky News? I know, she's on gardening leave but Ellers, please go google it. Many, many websites confirming that the two contracts were signed one day apart, 27/8/20 (EU) and 28/8/20 (UK).

Here is an article confirming the EU contract and the fact that it is the First contract AZ signed.
https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news-ec-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract/


But others are saying that UK signed 3 months earlier, including this Italian based website

The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did. As a result, a manufacturing plant in the UK has been able to achieve a higher yield than plants elsewhere, according to an interview with Pascal Soriot published on 26 January in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica. “With the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced,” Soriot told the paper.

Who to believe?

I really hate to say this, but perhaps dealing with one government (be it bumbling) is better than dealing with 27-rolled into 1 (with all their different laws and agreements)
 
It wasn’t suspended by the EMA, it was suspended by individual governments without reference to the EMA, who have said they are sure that the AZ vaccine is safe and advised that use should continue, but will investigate the reports and release a statement today, I think. If the statement confirms safety, or presumably an acceptable risk, France and Italy have said that they will immediately start using the vaccine again, not sure about the other countries. But sadly the damage might already have been done, many EU countries re struggling to get their citizens to take any vaccine and there is more reluctance around the AZ version, due to previous statement from politicians and the current scare fest.

Future sales for who? The Oxford/AZ vaccine is cheap as a matter of policy, but it’s price will go up once the pandemic is ‘officially’ over, and routine annual vaccination presumably becomes a thing. The Johnson and Johnson single jab is pretty cheap too. The biggest markets in the world are poor countries which will never afford the prices charged by Pfizer/Moderna and don’t have the deep freeze infrastructure to use those jabs anyway. Hence the COVAX initiative to which the U.K. has donated £550m and will, apparently, also give ‘surplus’ vaccine doses we have already ordered. I think the EU has contributed €1bn as well.

I don’t think I understand the point, or I haven’t got my Machiavellian head on today....
I never stated it was suspended by the EMA.
But others are saying that UK signed 3 months earlier, including this Italian based website

The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did. As a result, a manufacturing plant in the UK has been able to achieve a higher yield than plants elsewhere, according to an interview with Pascal Soriot published on 26 January in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica. “With the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced,” Soriot told the paper.

Who to believe?

I really hate to say this, but perhaps dealing with one government (be it bumbling) is better than dealing with 27-rolled into 1 (with all their different laws and agreements)
I wonder is that where the EU 300m euros to boost AZ production was spent?
 
Okay so I have now listened to a contract lawyer on Euronews who says “he sees no basis for the commissions argument’ regarding contracts. They dealt with us 3 months before, then the order was placed. It was binding. Thats ends that.
 
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Third confinement being announced in France by the Prime Minister. Knew it'd be bad when it was announced the Prime Minister would give the announcement, and not the President. They only roll Macron out to give good news.
Not good Dave. I saw the infections jumped from 28K to 38K and 35K today. I was hoping to pop over when I heard restrictions had been eased. I think I will wait and see what happens. Hopefully the French will start having the jab and the numbers will go down.
 
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But others are saying that UK signed 3 months earlier, including this Italian based website

The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did. As a result, a manufacturing plant in the UK has been able to achieve a higher yield than plants elsewhere, according to an interview with Pascal Soriot published on 26 January in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica. “With the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced,” Soriot told the paper.

Who to believe?

I really hate to say this, but perhaps dealing with one government (be it bumbling) is better than dealing with 27-rolled into 1 (with all their different laws and agreements)

At last Beth......




You get it! :emoticon-0100-smile
 
But others are saying that UK signed 3 months earlier, including this Italian based website

The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did. As a result, a manufacturing plant in the UK has been able to achieve a higher yield than plants elsewhere, according to an interview with Pascal Soriot published on 26 January in the Italian newspaper La Repubblica. “With the UK we have had an extra three months to fix all the glitches we experienced,” Soriot told the paper.

Who to believe?

I really hate to say this, but perhaps dealing with one government (be it bumbling) is better than dealing with 27-rolled into 1 (with all their different laws and agreements)

Yep, I was not at all pro-Brexit, and still don't think it will be a good long-term decision, but no question about it...Brexit has enabled the UK to get well ahead in the vaccination process. It also doesn't help when most French people won't do it because the Government have told them to. :headbang:
 
Yep, I was not at all pro-Brexit, and still don't think it will be a good long-term decision, but no question about it...Brexit has enabled the UK to get well ahead in the vaccination process. It also doesn't help when most French people won't do it because the Government have told them to. :headbang:
UVL failings will cause long term damage, not only to life but to the EU/Eurozone (I will leave that to the other thread). More importantly irresponsible comments by Macron will ultimately lead to unnecessary deaths in a country that is already sceptical of vaccines. I have my dislike for the commission but what they have done with the roll out is nothing short of incompetence. I just hope people start taking up the vaccine because infections are growing.
 
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Pensioner given Covid breach warning over socially-distanced cup of tea
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The 82-year-old was visited by police. Credit: PA
A pensioner has been given a Covid breach warning by police after having a socially-distanced cup of tea in her communal garden.

The 82-year-old was visited by police after she had been reported for drinking tea outside with neighbours from her sheltered housing complex.

The woman, from Charlton Kings, was watching television in bed when there was a knock at the door at 9.45pm.

The pensioner's daughter Lesley Magovern, 56, from Cheltenham said: “My mother heard a knock at the door and it was very late and she wondered really who it could be.

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Police visited the pensioner and warned her about a potential Covid breach. (Pictured: a stock image of police).
'She was quite frightened'

"My mother is quite deaf and she asked who it was and she thought the voice said ‘It’s me’. Then mother assumed it was in fact me and she then opened the door.

“There were two officers stood there, a man and a woman with masks on and they asked if they could come in and speak to her.

"They did not show her any identification so she just trusted the uniform and she was quite frightened. My mother has never been in trouble with the police in her life.”

The residents all share a communal garden and her mother moved in just before lockdown.

They told mother if it were to happen again she would be fined.

Lesley
Mrs Magovern said: “I can not believe the police travelled from Gloucester to Charlton Kings so late for something so ridiculous.

“When they were there, they told mother if it were to happen again she would be fined. Then they asked her to provide identification so she was rooting around trying to find some.

"Finally she ended up showing them an out of date drivers licence as that is all she had.”

The officers that visited Mrs Palmer are part of Gloucestershire Police's Covid response team.

A force spokesperson said: “An officer has spoken to the complainant and an explanation was provided in response to concerns raised. She was content with this and the matter has been resolved.

Police received a report of a potential Covid breach on Tuesday 9 March at 1.30pm suspecting that there was a gathering involving people from multiple households in a residential garden in Charlton Kings, Cheltenham.

Gloucestershire Police spokesperson
“Covid response officers attended later that day at around 9.45pm where some residents were spoken to and given words of advice around current restrictions.

“Officers are deployed to incidents based on an assessment of the threat, risk and harm of the incident and in this case officers who are part of the Covid response team and are deployed across the county attended later that evening.”
 
Watching the beginning of Question Time by mistake. An air of smugness abounds amongst panel and audience who are all violently agreeing how brilliant we are compared to Europe when it comes to vaccines. Might be true but it’s not a good look.
 
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Watching the beginning of Question Time by mistake. An air of smugness abounds amongst panel and audience who are all violently agreeing how brilliant we are compared to Europe when it comes to vaccines. Might be true but it’s not a good look.

Oh dear, how sad. Never mind.
 
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Interesting vid on how the drug cartels in Mexico are using Covid to increase their support base....couldn't imagine our gangs being so altruistic!

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Watching the beginning of Question Time by mistake. An air of smugness abounds amongst panel and audience who are all violently agreeing how brilliant we are compared to Europe when it comes to vaccines. Might be true but it’s not a good look.

Let the simpletons have their thing if it makes them happy.