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haslam said:
I think I'm still correct in saying that Shows Ameobi had scored more European goals than Sunderland. We qualified for around 15 successive years before Ashley got his hands on us. Just a coincidence obviously.
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Yeh thats lovely but When was the last time you was in Europe bro?
 
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haslam said:
I think that was partly his point. I'm not convinced Pep is some amazing manager but I do think more players have improved under him than got worse and given that they try and buy the best players and often at young ages then you'd expect that (as you suggest). Some are arguing Sterling isn't better than he was, I'd say he is and that it's normal. Pep factor? Could he hack it at Burnley? I'm not convinced but who cares, he doesn't and neither do Man City fans.

If people want to argue he's a fraud though then his trophy record, accompanied by all those managers who have failed would suggest otherwise. Can you compare him with managerial greats like Clough, Shankley and Ferguson. I'm not convinced you can given what he has at his disposal but City are simply the most recent in a long line of teams accused with "buying the title" and they won't be the last.
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Clough turned an unfancied Derby side into Champions and then took Forest from the old second Division to league champions and then European Cup winners ... twice.
Best manager in my life time for me cos he had to build both teams with out the pull that United and Liverpool.

Think it is impossible to quantify how good PG is.

His style of football is great but

1. He inherited the best Spanish players in over 40 years at Barcelona and left when their team needed rebuilding so never did that.
2. He was at the best and richest club in Germany.
3. He inherited Kompany, Stirling, Aguero, Silva, Toure, De Bruyne and Gundogan...he then spent £209m in his first season to come 4th.
Lampard has been sacked for for not challenging for the league after spending less than that with a worse team.
4. The following season he spent another £180m to win the title and the league Cup.
5. Then the following season he spent a further £71m and won the treble.
6. Then last season he spent another £75m to win the league Cup.
7. This season he spent £123m and will win the league, probably the league Cup and is still in the FA Cup and CL.

It is a brilliant amount of trophies in 5 years but after inheriting those world class players and spend £660m (2/3 of £billion) in just 4 and 1/2 years you could argue that 3 titles, 3 league cups and an FA Cup is the minimum he should have won.

8. He has not won the CL league since he did it at Barcelona. Since he got to City he has not made it past the 1/4 finals which is a very poor return.

9. For someone who is rated as "improving players" he has been pretty hit and miss with his transfers.
 
remembercolinlee said:
Clough turned an unfancied Derby side into Champions and then took Forest from the old second Division to league champions and then European Cup winners ... twice.
Best manager in my life time for me cos he had to build both teams with out the pull that United and Liverpool.

Think it is impossible to quantify how good PG is.

His style of football is great but

1. He inherited the best Spanish players in over 40 years at Barcelona and left when their team needed rebuilding so never did that.
2. He was at the best and richest club in Germany.
3. He inherited Kompany, Stirling, Aguero, Silva, Toure, De Bruyne and Gundogan...he then spent £209m in his first season to come 4th.
Lampard has been sacked for for not challenging for the league after spending less than that with a worse team.
4. The following season he spent another £180m to win the title and the league Cup.
5. Then the following season he spent a further £71m and won the treble.
6. Then last season he spent another £75m to win the league Cup.
7. This season he spent £123m and will win the league, probably the league Cup and is still in the FA Cup and CL.

It is a brilliant amount of trophies in 5 years but after inheriting those world class players and spend £660m (2/3 of £billion) in just 4 and 1/2 years you could argue that 3 titles, 3 league cups and an FA Cup is the minimum he should have won.

8. He has not won the CL league since he did it at Barcelona. Since he got to City he has not made it past the 1/4 finals which is a very poor return.

9. For someone who is rated as "improving players" he has been pretty hit and miss with his transfers.
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I'd agree that what Clough achieved is probably the most impressive. It's between him and Ferguson for me ( doing anything at all with Aberdeen should not be forgotten!).

The CL is a massive issue for PG. He should have won it another couple of times by now.
 
remembercolinlee said:
Clough turned an unfancied Derby side into Champions and then took Forest from the old second Division to league champions and then European Cup winners ... twice.
Best manager in my life time for me cos he had to build both teams with out the pull that United and Liverpool.

Think it is impossible to quantify how good PG is.

His style of football is great but

1. He inherited the best Spanish players in over 40 years at Barcelona and left when their team needed rebuilding so never did that.
2. He was at the best and richest club in Germany.
3. He inherited Kompany, Stirling, Aguero, Silva, Toure, De Bruyne and Gundogan...he then spent £209m in his first season to come 4th.
Lampard has been sacked for for not challenging for the league after spending less than that with a worse team.
4. The following season he spent another £180m to win the title and the league Cup.
5. Then the following season he spent a further £71m and won the treble.
6. Then last season he spent another £75m to win the league Cup.
7. This season he spent £123m and will win the league, probably the league Cup and is still in the FA Cup and CL.

It is a brilliant amount of trophies in 5 years but after inheriting those world class players and spend £660m (2/3 of £billion) in just 4 and 1/2 years you could argue that 3 titles, 3 league cups and an FA Cup is the minimum he should have won.

8. He has not won the CL league since he did it at Barcelona. Since he got to City he has not made it past the 1/4 finals which is a very poor return.

9. For someone who is rated as "improving players" he has been pretty hit and miss with his transfers.
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Yeah they’re about to lift their 3rd league title in 4 years, bang ****ing average.
 
haslam said:
I'd agree that what Clough achieved is probably the most impressive. It's between him and Ferguson for me ( doing anything at all with Aberdeen should not be forgotten!).

The CL is a massive issue for PG. He should have won it another couple of times by now.
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SAF was amazing but did it at a wealthy a world famous club that could attract big names.
To turn Forest into the best club in England and Europe for 3 years was a remarkable achievement.
The closest equivalent I can think of is that after Leicester won the league they went on to win consecutive CL and 3 or 4 league cups in 6 years...that puts Clough's achievements into perspective.
Would never down play SAF though. That was a hell of a career at Aberdeen and United.
 
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Big Ern said:
According to the team news he's playing RM/RW, I will be watching, us Hammer are all Slavia Prague fans now. (and vica versa)
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Joking aside ... we have a bit of a mutual love in with Anderlecht. All down to Marcin Wasilewski who became a cult hero for us just as he had been at Anderlecht. A full coach of Anderlecht supporters came over to watch his debut for us ... and a love story began <cheers>
 
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Tobes said:
Yeah they’re about to lift their 3rd league title in 4 years, bang ****ing average.
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That's the problem when discussing PG... no where have I said he is bang average.
You have not responded to a single point I made...none of which slag him off...they simply question whether he is the best manager in the past 10-20 years.
 
remembercolinlee said:
That's the problem when discussing PG... no where have I said he is bang average.
You have not responded to a single point I made...none of which slag him off...they simply question whether he is the best manager in the past 10-20 years.
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You’ve slagged him off enough in the past for me to know your position on him.
 
Tobes said:
You’ve slagged him off enough in the past for me to know your position on him.
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I have always said I like his style of football...ain't my fault you dislike criticism of him.

But it weird of you to claim I said he was bang average tbh... you don't usually twist someone's post cos you disagree with them.
 
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