Match Day Thread Leeds Utd v Brighton

[Whitejock]

Player ratings:
Kiko - 6 - Didn’t do anything wrong, made a couple of saves and clearances when needed. Hopefully Meslier will be back for the next game but that should give Kiko some confidence if needed for Newcastle.

Dallas - 5 - Did okay. Can’t really comment much more than that. Need him at LB.

Ayling - 3 - Should have been with Maupay for the goal so cost us big time. Need him back in his position. He’s done well as a makeshift CB but RB is where he thrives and where we need him. Get Llorente in at CB.

Cooper - 6 - Played well and commanded the defence. Good to have him back. Didn’t do much wrong.

Alioski - 3 - Thought he was poor today. Went missing so much at LB, poor passing, losing the ball in possession. Linked up terribly with Raphinha. Think his decision making is quite poor too.

Struijk - 5 - He did well, made some good passes and interceptions. He’s not Phillips but the problem wasn’t in his position today.

Harrison - 3 - Should have scored or at least got his chance on target. Decision making when he has time is poor. Think he crossed the ball 3 or 4 times when it was nowhere near any Leeds player and not even in a good area of the box, does this most games and gets very frustrating.

Rodrigo - 3 - Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t and when it doesn’t it’s detrimental to the team. There were many times tonight where he was too high up the field or a player beat him for pace on a one on one and then storms through to our back line. Seriously need some reinforcements in CM.

Klich - 3 - Usually a big fan of Klich but he’s not been up to it for a while now. I’m not sure how he plays is working with Rodrigo. Hopefully he’ll improve.

Raphinha - 3 - Poor. Didn’t seem to be working that hard and didn’t link up with Alioski. Haven’t rated him at LM. Think it works much more with Harrison on the left and Raphinha on the right so I’m not sure why Bielsa changed it today.

Bamford - 6 - Did everything he could. Held up the ball when he got it and ran his socks off but go no service.

Subs:
Roberts - 6 - Not usually his biggest fan but actually looked sharp today. If he plays like that and with that hunger he could get back into the team.

Hernandez - 3 - Didn't do much and tried to make things happen but nothing came off.

Poveda - 3 - I can only remember 1 pass and it went out of play. Don’t think he’s the answer.

Also, our pitch is terrible yes but Brighton put passes together and played well. Great movement and possession play leading to their goal. Cannot be an excuse for us, we lose possession too easily through stray passing and this isn’t something new home or away.

FFS! We were bad, but not that bad!

Think you have to reset your expectations. Hugely.

We're a team in our first year in the PL, & slowly learning the realities of all the PL brings. WTF do you expect?

And you're the second to mark up the clown. "Didn't do anything wrong"? Don't suppose you noticed him spill the ball needlessly? If he had been on the line, it would have been another clownish goal. And not to mention his needless punches & crap distribution. Perhaps it also escaped your notice that he hardly received any passes. What does that tell you about his standing in the team? Fcukin' 6??? 0.6, more like!

 

[2 pennth]

Told you all there’d be hell on here if we lost, back track to beginning of season when I said first objective this season is survival
Some others criticised me for that they were looking at Europe etc
Well up yours welcome to the real world

 

[esteponawhite]

OK so we all pissed off at another loss.
But, on the bright side, we are still 12 points clear of the drop zone.
That is 4 wins, the bottom 3 have a combined win total of 5 from a combined 53 games.
I really do not fear a relegation battle.

On how to improve, Ben White would be a great signing, we only have 3 CBs, some of which are injured and over a season all will pick up cards so will get banned at some point.
We recently have a makeshift defence hence players playing out of position, not ideal.
He could also play KPs role as no one we have seems to be able.
Thoughts?

 

[Doc]

There was only one major difference today and what we normally expect to see whoever we play are chances, chances and more chances. Then we can moan about the missed chances and we have done that for 2 and a half seasons. Today we didn't create chances and we didn't create chances because Klich and Rodrigo were cut out of much of the play by too many long balls out wide or cleared long by Cooper, Ayling and Struijk.

We didn't do what we always do and the pitch made us play that way

 

[Whitejock]

OK so we all pissed off at another loss.
But, on the bright side, we are still 12 points clear of the drop zone.
That is 4 wins, the bottom 3 have a combined win total of 5 from a combined 53 games.
I really do not fear a relegation battle.

On how to improve, Ben White would be a great signing, we only have 3 CBs, some of which are injured and over a season all will pick up cards so will get banned at some point.
We recently have a makeshift defence hence players playing out of position, not ideal.
He could also play KPs role as no one we have seems to be able.
Thoughts?

Este, if we're honest, there's no-one in the PL that could fully replace KP, never mind our team!

White was pretty crap at it. Struijk is mostly playing as a bog-standard DM, without the KP capability to control the game. No-one has managed it, quite frankly. Every attempt has been 'acceptable' at best. The defensive aspect has usually been well covered - it's the important controlling part that no-one successfully manages, far less replicates. Failures include: White, Struijk, Jenkins, Forshaw, Klich & McCalmont. The latter was the best I watched - but only for the u23s, sadly.

My one & only hope is Llorente, but we'll need to wait for that one, hopefully.

 

[esteponawhite]

Este, if we're honest, there's no-one in the PL that could fully replace KP, never mind our team!

White was pretty crap at it. Struijk is mostly playing as a bog-standard DM, without the KP capability to control the game. No-one has managed it, quite frankly. Every attempt has been 'acceptable' at best. The defensive aspect has usually been well covered - it's the important controlling part that no-one successfully manages, far less replicates. Failures include: White, Struijk, Jenkins, Forshaw, Klich & McCalmont. The latter was the best I watched - but only for the u23s, sadly.

My one & only hope is Llorente, but we'll need to wait for that one, hopefully.

Well said, my thought about white was for the CB role and possibly KPs, but as you say Llorente should be the replacement, pity he is injured.
Not sure about the kids the step up is massive, seems Doc sees more of them than most of us any ideas?

 

[NostradEmus]

White was that bad that we ended up preferring Struijk in that role by the end of last season.

The best person I have seen play there when Phillips wasn't available was Forshaw closely followed by Klich.

Struijk does OK. He just isn't mobile enough at this level. Nowadays you need a nippy little ****er like Kante.

I'll tell you who would be ideal for us..... Drinkwater. Plenty of experience in the holding role and can ping a long pass. Or we could tell Kalvin to chill out a bit on the booking front.

 

[oldschool]

How Brighton are down there I don't know,thought they dealt with us quite easily they have some decent players and a few missing as well today. We had a bit of pressure last 20 but created little, our crossing is abysmal.
Thought Roberts looked ok when on,poveda no end product again,Pablo tried but no killer pass the time.
STOP THE SEASON we did great last time afterwards

 

[Doc]

Jack Jenkins does a great job for the 23s and says he tries to model himself on Kalvin, but he needs to step up and take his chance. Last weekend he was like a fish out of water, but blame Bielsa for that.

The obvious guy to do the role is the guy who does it for Spain when asked and was doing that role more than his usual CB role fir his Spanish club side before he joined us. He has done it against many if the best players un the world so guessing Bielsa will put him there the next time Phillips is out.

 

[leeds down south]

How Brighton are down there I don't know,thought they dealt with us quite easily they have some decent players and a few missing as well today. We had a bit of pressure last 20 but created little, our crossing is abysmal.
Thought Roberts looked ok when on,poveda no end product again,Pablo tried but no killer pass the time.
STOP THE SEASON we did great last time afterwards

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Says a lot about Brighton! Least we're only 1 place below our "expected position".

 

[Whitejock]

White was that bad that we ended up preferring Struijk in that role by the end of last season.

The best person I have seen play there when Phillips wasn't available was Forshaw closely followed by Klich.

Struijk does OK. He just isn't mobile enough at this level. Nowadays you need a nippy little ****er like Kante.

I'll tell you who would be ideal for us..... Drinkwater. Plenty of experience in the holding role and can ping a long pass. Or we could tell Kalvin to chill out a bit on the booking front.

Have to disagree with you about Forshaw. He actually cost us a few goals and a lot of frights way back when he played DM. The classic example is that he should have remained back to support the CBs when they went forward. He didn't. He attacked too. Kinda difficult to stop the opposition bursting down the field when you're in their penalty box. TBF, this specific role is unique & I get that it went against his attacking instincts.

Oddly enough, it's the other way round with Klich for me. Can find a pass, but not so great on the defensive side.

To be absolutely fair to all the participants, it's not an easy job. KP wasn't so hot at it when he started out, was he? I recall him getting the half-time hook more than once.

 

[oldschool]

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Says a lot about Brighton! Least we're only 1 place below our "expected position".

Wow that board looks like something you see in a stock market trading room....only 1 stat counts...kick ball over white line in between goal posts more than opposition and you will receive 3 golden points regardless of possession

 

[Whitejock]

Wow that board looks like something you see in a stock market trading room....only 1 stat counts...kick ball over white line in between goal posts more than opposition and you will receive 3 golden points regardless of possession

Yup, meant fcuk all to me as well.

 

[leeds down south]

Yup, meant fcuk all to me as well.

Think it's a season look of the stat they put at the end of MOTD on expected goals (xg). Alternative sites probably calculate it different.

Was quite interesting to look at last season when tight for promo in Feb. Showed Forest for example were massively overperforming and they completely fell out of the top 6. Also quite a good indicator as to how a team will go the following season (maybe not the Prem which is less competitive due to the huge differences between the top 6/7 and the rest).

 

[esteponawhite]

Anyone lump on BHA with the odds that were being offered?

 

[Makemstine Roger]

Are you saying we should bring Tomas Brolin back

not without a seance first

 

[Makemstine Roger]

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Says a lot about Brighton! Least we're only 1 place below our "expected position".

I dont see Newcastle there and they are below us

 

[oldschool]

Think it's a season look of the stat they put at the end of MOTD on expected goals (xg). Alternative sites probably calculate it different.

Was quite interesting to look at last season when tight for promo in Feb. Showed Forest for example were massively overperforming and they completely fell out of the top 6. Also quite a good indicator as to how a team will go the following season (maybe not the Prem which is less competitive due to the huge differences between the top 6/7 and the rest).

It's ok if you are into all that stats stuff,but expected goals this

Think it's a season look of the stat they put at the end of MOTD on expected goals (xg). Alternative sites probably calculate it different.

Was quite interesting to look at last season when tight for promo in Feb. Showed Forest for example were massively overperforming and they completely fell out of the top 6. Also quite a good indicator as to how a team will go the following season (maybe not the Prem which is less competitive due to the huge differences between the top 6/7 and the rest).

It's great if you're into stuff like that, expected goals for, against, points etc but for old gits like me footy is a simple game,I mean would any stats have expected bamford to be on 10 by now in the prem or what statistician would have predicted bielsa to be in his 3rd year at one club...we need some quality bringing in simples, we don't need a stat to tell us that

 

[FORZA LEEDS]

How Brighton are down there I don't know,thought they dealt with us quite easily they have some decent players and a few missing as well today.

It's ok if you are into all that stats stuff,but expected goals this

It's great if you're into stuff like that, expected goals for, against, points etc but for old gits like me footy is a simple game,I mean would any stats have expected bamford to be on 10 by now in the prem or what statistician would have predicted bielsa to be in his 3rd year at one club...we need some quality bringing in simples, we don't need a stat to tell us that

Tbf he posted those stats to confirm what you were saying, that Brighton are in a false position and should be higher up the table.

 

[oldschool]

Tbf he posted those stats to confirm what you were saying, that Brighton are in a false position and should be higher up the table.

I knew I was right then.... not into stats as you probably figured, but going off today's match they are in a false position..maybe I need a nightcap