Off Topic London Calling: Summer Holidays Abroad 2021 in doubt?

[The Norton Cat]

Rishi’eat out to help reinfection’ Sunak ? Aye I am judging them on their performance. They’re dreadful. If they didn’t support business the vulnerable bad Brexit deal economy would collapse so they got the Bank of England to print more money, now they’re cutting the living wages of low paid workers to pay it off while Johnson Sunak and co visit their second homes. They’re a dreadful bunch of uncaring humans who are incompetent and a few working class people need to admit they got it wrong. But some won’t cos hating foreigners matters more than caring for hungry children.

Hmm. It stands to reason that there has to be a pay off when the country has had to borrow money to fund our way through the pandemic. As I said in an earlier post, we can expect taxes to rise to repay that debt. That would be the case no matter who was in charge.
As for the National Living Wage, as of 25th November 2020, that was due to rise.
Bryan Sanderson, Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said:

"Recommending minimum wage rates in the midst of an economic crisis coupled with a pandemic is a formidable task. The difficulty in looking forward even to next April is daunting. There are strong arguments concerning both low-paid workers – many performing critically important tasks – and the very real solvency risks to which small businesses are currently exposed. In these unprecedented conditions, stability and competence are prime requirements.

Our value as a social partnership is to use the imperfect economic evidence to produce a recommendation which is professionally researched and dispassionate. Most importantly, after much debate it has the support of the business, trade union and academic representatives who make up the Commission. We have opted for a prudent increase which consolidates the considerable progress of recent years and provides a base from which we can move towards the Government’s target over the next few years."

That sounds like a sensible approach to me, under the circumstances.

I don't really get this idea that they're awful human beings. There are plenty of people on both sides of the divide that are objectionable characters. The idea that they want to keep the lowest paid and the lower classes down goes against many of the key tenets of Conservatism- their ideal is that everyone should be working hard to make themselves prosperous, so that there's plenty of money sloshing around and there is little drain on the public purse.

 

[Nacho]

I think of it with a football analogy should we praise Jason Steele and Lee Camp because they made one or two saves throughout the season or should we say they were ****e because of the mistakes they made and the volume of mistakes they made?

Bearing in mind the success of the vaccine rollout using your analogy it'd be the equivalent of Camp having an amazing second half of the season despite a few cock ups early on.

Dealing with the virus has been horrendous for all concerned but getting the vaccine out there is the light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I think of it with a football analogy should we praise Jason Steele and Lee Camp because they made one or two saves throughout the season or should we say they were ****e because of the mistakes they made and the volume of mistakes they made?

Yes, when someone does something well they should receive praise for it. When they do something badly, they should receive criticism.
But to extend that analogy further, if only Steele had played that season and Camp had only ever sat on the bench, how would we know which one was better? We would never know how Camp would have performed. So we could only say that Steele played well in this game (or this part of this game) and made mistakes in that game. It would only be at the end of the season (which in Covid terms we haven't reached yet) that we could judge his effectiveness in our team. And we wouldn't be able to give an unbiased assessment of his effectiveness if we're best mates with Lee Camp.

 

[Deletion Requested1]

Hmm. It stands to reason that there has to be a pay off when the country has had to borrow money to fund our way through the pandemic. As I said in an earlier post, we can expect taxes to rise to repay that debt. That would be the case no matter who was in charge.
As for the National Living Wage, as of 25th November 2020, that was due to rise.
Bryan Sanderson, Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said:

"Recommending minimum wage rates in the midst of an economic crisis coupled with a pandemic is a formidable task. The difficulty in looking forward even to next April is daunting. There are strong arguments concerning both low-paid workers – many performing critically important tasks – and the very real solvency risks to which small businesses are currently exposed. In these unprecedented conditions, stability and competence are prime requirements.

Our value as a social partnership is to use the imperfect economic evidence to produce a recommendation which is professionally researched and dispassionate. Most importantly, after much debate it has the support of the business, trade union and academic representatives who make up the Commission. We have opted for a prudent increase which consolidates the considerable progress of recent years and provides a base from which we can move towards the Government’s target over the next few years."

That sounds like a sensible approach to me, under the circumstances.

I don't really get this idea that they're awful human beings. There are plenty of people on both sides of the divide that are objectionable characters.

Yes, when someone does something well they should receive praise for it. When they do something badly, they should receive criticism.
But to extend that analogy further, if only Steele had played that season and Camp had only ever sat on the bench, how would we know which one was better? We would never know how Camp would have performed. So we could only say that Steele played well in this game (or this part of this game) and made mistakes in that game. It would only be at the end of the season (which in Covid terms we haven't reached yet) that we could judge his effectiveness in our team. And we wouldn't be able to give an unbiased assessment of his effectiveness if we're best mates with Lee Camp.

their ideal is that everyone should be working hard to make themselves prosperous, so that there's plenty of money sloshing around and there is little drain on the public purse.

Hmm. It stands to reason that there has to be a pay off when the country has had to borrow money to fund our way through the pandemic. As I said in an earlier post, we can expect taxes to rise to repay that debt. That would be the case no matter who was in charge.
As for the National Living Wage, as of 25th November 2020, that was due to rise.
Bryan Sanderson, Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said:

"Recommending minimum wage rates in the midst of an economic crisis coupled with a pandemic is a formidable task. The difficulty in looking forward even to next April is daunting. There are strong arguments concerning both low-paid workers – many performing critically important tasks – and the very real solvency risks to which small businesses are currently exposed. In these unprecedented conditions, stability and competence are prime requirements.

Our value as a social partnership is to use the imperfect economic evidence to produce a recommendation which is professionally researched and dispassionate. Most importantly, after much debate it has the support of the business, trade union and academic representatives who make up the Commission. We have opted for a prudent increase which consolidates the considerable progress of recent years and provides a base from which we can move towards the Government’s target over the next few years."

That sounds like a sensible approach to me, under the circumstances.

I don't really get this idea that they're awful human beings. There are plenty of people on both sides of the divide that are objectionable characters. The idea that they want to keep the lowest paid and the lower classes down goes against many of the key tenets of Conservatism- their ideal is that everyone should be working hard to make themselves prosperous, so that there's plenty of money sloshing around and there is little drain on the public purse.

The idea that they want to keep the lowest paid and the lower classes down goes against many of the key tenets of Conservatism

Sorry I had to laugh at that one think that should be on the joke thread

 

[Disco down under]

We've got a **** sandwich in our hands and people are arguing whether it's better to season it with salt or pepper.

Throw the ****ing sandwich away.

 

[Saf]

Rishi’eat out to help reinfection’ Sunak ? Aye I am judging them on their performance. They’re dreadful. If they didn’t support business the vulnerable bad Brexit deal economy would collapse so they got the Bank of England to print more money, now they’re cutting the living wages of low paid workers to pay it off while Johnson Sunak and co visit their second homes. They’re a dreadful bunch of uncaring humans who are incompetent and a few working class people need to admit they got it wrong. But some won’t cos hating foreigners matters more than caring for hungry children.

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[Saf]

I think of it with a football analogy should we praise Jason Steele and Lee Camp because they made one or two saves throughout the season or should we say they were ****e because of the mistakes they made and the volume of mistakes they made?

Did any of them make a save that won us the cup?

 

[Makemstine Roger]

makes me laugh the same old story should have closed the boarders what about the food not only on wagons but trains and cargo planes just food trucks alone is 9,000 per day stop them and you have

Business
France Halts U.K. Freight Over Virus Alarm, Rocking Supplies
By
Kitty Donaldson
,
Lizzy Burden
, and
Alex Morales
December 21, 2020, 12:56 AM GMT+1 Updated on December 21, 2020, 9:16 AM GMT+1

• 
  Retailers, truckers express concern as supply lines narrow
• 
  Maintaining U.K. freight flows on agenda of government meeting

The food shelves in Northen Ireland are running out

 

[Disco down under]

makes me laugh the same old story should have closed the boarders what about the food not only on wagons but trains and cargo planes just food trucks alone is 9,000 per day stop them and you have

Business
France Halts U.K. Freight Over Virus Alarm, Rocking Supplies
By
Kitty Donaldson
,
Lizzy Burden
, and
Alex Morales
December 21, 2020, 12:56 AM GMT+1 Updated on December 21, 2020, 9:16 AM GMT+1

• 
  Retailers, truckers express concern as supply lines narrow
• 
  Maintaining U.K. freight flows on agenda of government meeting

The food shelves in Northen Ireland are running out

Closing the "boarders" doesn't mean stopping food coming in.

 

[Ozzymac]

your'e right mate the NHS is fantastic but we are the only ones who use it all the western world are on private because the cost is prohibitive,we needed restrictions in place long ago but loads of **** happened EU citizens coming here with diseases and medical problems which we treated, 3rd world country people coming here on holiday but having expensive operations or giving birth,wheelchair people from 3 world counties without help for them, Coming to the only place that will give a decent standard of life.You cant blame them everyone would in that position problem is we the tax payer cant afford it or look after the worlds ills, hard decisions will have to be made to keep the health-service a world leader in treatment, trouble is its taking longer every year to get treatment due to the abuse.Glad i don't have to make the decisions which will have to be made.

Not quite, Rog, we have a great public system here in Australia assisted by a private system as well.

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

Closing the "boarders" doesn't mean stopping food coming in.

Yep, should stop them coming in and taking all the places in our public schools. it’s BORDER for crying out loud.
And relax.

 

[Evil Jimmy Krankie]

Not quite, Rog, we have a great public system here in Australia assisted by a private system as well.

Still means I’m forking out over $250 a month for health insurance though. In our family we’re quite lucky that we rarely make a claim. Dentist visit every six months are the main claims.
I’ll be dipping in later on. Currently going through allergy desensitisation. Turns out I’m allergic to dust mites and grass pollen. Starting on a course of injections. One a week for 11 weeks then see what happens after that.

 

[Sunderpitt]

Closing the "boarders" doesn't mean stopping food coming in.

Billy Bunter will be pleased

 

[The Norton Cat]

The idea that they want to keep the lowest paid and the lower classes down goes against many of the key tenets of Conservatism

Sorry I had to laugh at that one think that should be on the joke thread

Did you? Why? Maybe you should go and do some research about political theory. You only have to scratch the surface to see that many of their theories are based on the hard work of the individual to make money for himself and, therefore, support himself. I believe Thatcher even made some comment about it being everyone's duty to improve their own lot in life. Granted, they buggered a lot of that up with their attack on heavy industry in the 80s but go to other parts of the country and there are people who praise them for the opportunities that they created for working class people.
You see, if you look at things without any preconceived ideas, you can usually begin to understand better why things happened.

 

[Smug in Boots]

'Closing the borders' doesn't mean cutting off freight or repatriation.

What it means is stopping the millions of needless incoming business and holiday flights.

People have been allowed to go on holiday to India, South America, USA, etc, which seems like shooting yourself in both feet.

If it's a good idea to close the borders now, when we have a vaccine, it was surely a good idea when we didn't.

Human contact is the one and only way to transmit the virus ...

... we simply didn't do enough to minimise that contact.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Did you? Why? Maybe you should go and do some research about political theory. You only have to scratch the surface to see that many of their theories are based on the hard work of the individual to make money for himself and, therefore, support himself. I believe Thatcher even made some comment about it being everyone's duty to improve their own lot in life. Granted, they buggered a lot of that up with their attack on heavy industry in the 80s but go to other parts of the country and there are people who praise them for the opportunities that they created for working class people.
You see, if you look at things without any preconceived ideas, you can usually begin to understand better why things happened.

In drip down economics how does an employed person get paid more ? It is down to the good will of the employer. And what do we do then to aid the less able, powerless and unwell. I might use hungry children as an example. Do they have to suffer because of their inadequacy? You see the concept is flawed by the complexities of humanity. Some can’t ‘pull up their bootstraps’ and compete because they don’t have the strength or ability, they need some nurture and assistance. Not this vile brand of Conservatism.

 

[Pure River Slut]

Hmm. It stands to reason that there has to be a pay off when the country has had to borrow money to fund our way through the pandemic. As I said in an earlier post, we can expect taxes to rise to repay that debt. That would be the case no matter who was in charge.
As for the National Living Wage, as of 25th November 2020, that was due to rise.
Bryan Sanderson, Chair of the Low Pay Commission, said:

"Recommending minimum wage rates in the midst of an economic crisis coupled with a pandemic is a formidable task. The difficulty in looking forward even to next April is daunting. There are strong arguments concerning both low-paid workers – many performing critically important tasks – and the very real solvency risks to which small businesses are currently exposed. In these unprecedented conditions, stability and competence are prime requirements.

Our value as a social partnership is to use the imperfect economic evidence to produce a recommendation which is professionally researched and dispassionate. Most importantly, after much debate it has the support of the business, trade union and academic representatives who make up the Commission. We have opted for a prudent increase which consolidates the considerable progress of recent years and provides a base from which we can move towards the Government’s target over the next few years."

That sounds like a sensible approach to me, under the circumstances.

I don't really get this idea that they're awful human beings. There are plenty of people on both sides of the divide that are objectionable characters. The idea that they want to keep the lowest paid and the lower classes down goes against many of the key tenets of Conservatism- their ideal is that everyone should be working hard to make themselves prosperous, so that there's plenty of money sloshing around and there is little drain on the public purse.

There is probably sufficient money in the bank accounts and properties of the cabinet members and their wider family network to ease the deficit. Take Rees ‘fish are happy’ Mogg as an example. We are tricked into thinking the everyday person has to suffer because for some reason everyday people elect the elite.

 

[Saf]

Good man is Jacob. £208 in expenses here. No expenses the following year. He doesn't want the public being more out of pocket.

Look at the Labour MP in his area. 44k that the public will ultimately pay for.

This is how much Bristol, North Somerset and South Gloucestershire MPs claimed in expenses - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

 

[The Norton Cat]

In drip down economics how does an employed person get paid more ? It is down to the good will of the employer. And what do we do then to aid the less able, powerless and unwell. I might use hungry children as an example. Do they have to suffer because of their inadequacy? You see the concept is flawed by the complexities of humanity. Some can’t ‘pull up their bootstraps’ and compete because they don’t have the strength or ability, they need some nurture and assistance. Not this vile brand of Conservatism.

I didn't say it was a good system. There are flaws in any kind of political system. I'm not condoning what they say or stand for. I'm criticising the propagation of myths and lies (such as "the Tories want to keep the lower classes downtrodden") and trying to get across how this is yet another example of 'fake news'.
With that in mind, your implication that Conservatism lacks any kind of social conscience is also inaccurate "it is the responsibility of every man to first look after himself, and then look after his neighbour".

 

[The Norton Cat]

There is probably sufficient money in the bank accounts and properties of the cabinet members and their wider family network to ease the deficit. Take Rees ‘fish are happy’ Mogg as an example. We are tricked into thinking the everyday person has to suffer because for some reason everyday people elect the elite.

So are you advocating wealth redistribution? There are plenty of examples of systems in which that was employed that have resulted in the working man being downtrodden. The 'elite' are where they are because, at some point in time, someone has put in some kind of effort to get them there. Its not a perfect system but show me one that is.
While we're here, why are we calling them the 'elite'? Jacob Rees-Mogg isn't better than me or you, he's just a man. His life has gone one way and mine has gone another. So be it.