Match Day Thread Sunderland v Hull City

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Hence why they want him on a longer deal and have been giving new contracts to all the younger players who deserve them

And the club didn't let a £50m left back to for £9m because when he left us he was nowhere near a £50m left back. You can't sell a player for what he potentially might be worth in the future FFS...but you do add in sell on clauses to cover yourself as we have done with all the decent players who have left us.
We sold a fullback for £9m who had just be an ever present in a team that had been relegated, and he had had his arse whipped several times in that team when caught out of position. He had potential but he was nowhere near a £50m player and I don't think he would be today if he played for anyone else but Liverpool.
As for KLP, there should be a bit of give and take on both sides. The club considerably upped his wage and he should be willing to give us another year or at least the option of one. Whatever it needs resolving because KLP should have come on tonight for Eaves as Magennis looked nowhere near the pace.
 
So the stand off benefits the club how ?
As it stands we are not using the player for the rest of the season then he leaves for nothing .
Like I said clubs will have seen him and sign him regardless .
The club loses !

So if he is going to just leave for nothing anyway, why should we pay him more? As you say clubs have will have seen him and will sign him anyway, so why not sign a slightly longer deal, get a larger pay rise and In turn get the club that has developed you from the age of 8, given you the opportunity to get that big move, a better transfer fee... You know his hometown club he claims to support?

Him signing a slightly longer deal on higher wages is an win all round for everyone. I really can't see how it's not been done.... Oh hang on, if that happens then his representative doesn't get paid anywhere near as much.
 
Because the Club need to look at the bigger picture .
Hes potentially worth millions.
If he digs his heels in he leaves for nothing .
The club gains nothing .
Let's not forget they let a £50 million pound left back go for under £9 million.
Clubs interested in KLP will be waiting regardless

Robertson wasn't worth £50m when he was at City.....
 
So if he is going to just leave for nothing anyway, why should we pay him more? As you say clubs have will have seen him and will sign him anyway, so why not sign a slightly longer deal, get a larger pay rise and In turn get the club that has developed you from the age of 8, given you the opportunity to get that big move, a better transfer fee... You know his hometown club he claims to support?

Him singing a slightly longer deal on higher wages is an win all round for everyone. I really can't see how it's not been done.... Oh hang on, if that happens then his representative doesn't get paid anywhere near as much.

Not sure if you ment to quote me, but I agree anyway ( sorry kempton )
 
True but if he doesnt sign the club loses big time.
He has enough potential to succeed by holding out .
What sort of figure are you putting on this lads head?? He's by no means the finished article,possibly Championship level at the moment and at his age and with his experience he'd be taken as a punt worth going with but no guaranteed certainty to set the Prem alight in 3-4 years time.
 
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What sort of figure are you putting on this lads head?? He's by no means the finished article,possibly Championship level at the moment and at his age and with his experience he'd be taken as a punt worth going with but no guaranteed certainty to set the Prem alight in 3-4 years time.
True but leaving for nothing is worse surely ?
What would you have put on Bowen 2 years ago ?
Let him play , Develop and then see
 
I've never been involved in a 'negotiation' yet that didn't involve demands from both sides??
Agreed. There is nothing at all unusual in lengthy contract negotiations. They will be happening in every club in the country. What is exceptional is for a club to accuse disloyalty whilst negotiating and punishing the individual by illogical exclususion from the team. Can anyone quote me an example of this approach elsewhere, and I don't mean right at the end of contract. Let's remember that KLP has a further 18 months on his contract, that's 60+ games that he could play or not.
 
True but leaving for nothing is worse surely ?
What would you have put on Bowen 2 years ago ?
Let him play , Develop and then see

Why should we let him play, develop and then just potentially walk away for free... The club have been slated for doing that and now they try to get young players on longer deals you don't think it's right?
 
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Agreed. There is nothing at all unusual in lengthy contract negotiations. They will be happening in every club in the country. What is exceptional is for a club to accuse disloyalty whilst negotiating and punishing the individual by illogical exclususion from the team. Can anyone quote me an example of this approach elsewhere, and I don't mean right at the end of contract. Let's remember that KLP has a further 18 months on his contract, that's 60+ games that he could play or not.
The pundits on sky named someone in exactly the same position at another club
 
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Agreed. There is nothing at all unusual in lengthy contract negotiations. They will be happening in every club in the country. What is exceptional is for a club to accuse disloyalty whilst negotiating and punishing the individual by illogical exclususion from the team. Can anyone quote me an example of this approach elsewhere, and I don't mean right at the end of contract. Let's remember that KLP has a further 18 months on his contract, that's 60+ games that he could play or not.

Your right, as I've said multiple times, the why it's been handled has been piss poor, but what they are asking for is logical and more then reasonable
 
Why should we let him play, develop and then just potentially walk away for free... The club have been slated for doing that and now they try to get young players on longer deals you don't think it's right?
He’s a silly **** he doesn’t give a **** about city
Not been and not watched us on the box for years
He’s just a sad lonely **** trying to get friends on here
 
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Robertson wasn't worth £50m when he was at City.....
I never saw Robertson becoming what he is now....Anyone that claims to have, has had too much Jack Daniels watching tonight's offering..

He was positionally naive to say the least and he's had the benefit of being coached and nurtured by one of the finest coaches in English Football.Another team may have seen a far different outcome.
 
I never saw Robertson becoming what he is now....Anyone that claims to have, has had too much Jack Daniels watching tonight's offering..

He was positionally naive to say the least and he's had the benefit of being coached and nurtured by one of the finest coaches in English Football.Another team may have seen a far different outcome.
I think James Milner has had quite an influence on Robertson's development since he left us.
 
Agreed. There is nothing at all unusual in lengthy contract negotiations. They will be happening in every club in the country. What is exceptional is for a club to accuse disloyalty whilst negotiating and punishing the individual by illogical exclususion from the team. Can anyone quote me an example of this approach elsewhere, and I don't mean right at the end of contract. Let's remember that KLP has a further 18 months on his contract, that's 60+ games that he could play or not.
I agreed at the time that it was wrong of Grant McCann to discuss this in a post match interview,the punitive measures,which they seem to be,are also wrong.That said(and this is something we should all take on board),is the FACT that there is not one person posting on here who can state categorically that they are privy to any ongoing negotiations or deals being thrashed out in the Clubs boardroom between Chairman and agent.
 
Why should we let him play, develop and then just potentially walk away for free... The club have been slated for doing that and now they try to get young players on longer deals you don't think it's right?
You're looking at it through the owners eyes.
As it stands he goes regardless
 
You're looking at it through the owners eyes.
As it stands he goes regardless

No I'm looking at it through logical eyes, he gets a larger wage rise and more security for if things go bad for him, the club gets more of a transfer free if and when his performances warrant a move. It's win win all round ( bar the leeches that represent him ) and exactly what most posters on here have been demanding for years now.

If your a supporter of Hull city AFC then way on earth wouldn't you want him to sign a long term deal?