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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    It should be everyone's Brexit line.

    I read a few days ago that polling suggests that 36 of the 45 'red wall' seats would revert to Labour if there was an election tomorrow.
     
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  2. Star of David Bardsley

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    I doubt it would play out that way to be honest.

    The sad reality is that a few years of No Deal pain is probably Labour’s best bet of getting in even accounting for the hordes of utter goons who will blame any and every negative consequence on a combination of them and the EU.
     
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  3. Goldhawk-Road

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  4. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Just that attitude you display to the working class in the North, Watford, is part of Labour's problem. Do yourself a favour and buy this book for Christmas, written by a trade union activist:

    https://www.waterstones.com/book/de..._medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=Genie Shopping
     
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  5. Star of David Bardsley

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    It’s not condescending to be concerned for those who will be worst hit by No Deal. It’s selfish to be happy to risk their wellbeing, in my humble opinion.
     
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    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that an arrogant and patronising approach to people who know their own lives and can think for themselves?
     
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  7. Star of David Bardsley

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    What if they can’t though? What if they’ve been drip-fed decades of utter nonsense about bendy bananas in The Sun?
     
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    Do you think you're a lot brighter than they are?
     
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  9. qprbeth

    qprbeth Wicked Witch of West12 Forum Moderator

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    I voted remain.

    But no No No...I do not want a no deal as I believe it will severely affect me...in both money and in my ability to live my life as I want and travel freely...and have a good return on my hard earned pension.

    I am as selfish as us we all are on here ( don't deny it). I want what is best for me and mine. A deal is better than a no deal.


    I am just annoyed that once I accepted that the nation had decided...it had.
    I was told we had an "oven ready" deal.

    I just want me and my family to be as okay financially and socially as we were 2 years ago.

    I hope people of all political persuasions can understand that.
    I think it is what we all want...isn't it
     
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  10. Stroller

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    Ah yes, the 'Islington' thing that you lot like to play. At PMQs the other day, Johnson said something pathetic about Starmer isolating in Islington, when he actually lives in Camden. Ironic really, when Johnson himself used to live in Islington - until he left his wife, who was being treated for cancer at the time.
     
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  11. Star of David Bardsley

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    I wouldn’t generalise the millions of people who would consider themselves working class but the sort of people who buy into the tabloids’ more ridiculous EU scare stories, yes I’d say the vast majority.
     
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  12. Goldhawk-Road

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    I'm not even going to try and defend Boris Johnson's personal life
     
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    But the Mirror is a tabloid which argues the other case. Are all their readers total idiots too?
     
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    What would the Mirror equivalent of bendy bananas be?
     
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    Publishing fake photographs made up to falsely show British troops torturing Iraqis. Piers Morgan lost his job over it. Do you think that's worse than bendy bananas?
     
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    It’s worse but I expect it was far more believable at the time.
     
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    Exactly. The bendy bananas stuff is obvious nonsense. The fake photographs were deeply insidious. But people continue to read the Mirror. Your concern should extend to them
     
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    If it was too obvious to fool their readers they wouldn’t print it. You can’t seriously compare the quality of the Mirror down the years and specifically on the EU with the right wing press.
     
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  19. Goldhawk-Road

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    I don't read the Sun or the Mirror, or any of the other red tops. I am saying there's likely to be as much prejudice in the Mirror as there is in the right wing tabloids. It just so happens the latter don't approve of what the Common Market has turned into. They've mocked the EU. People who read them have pretty much already made their mind up, in the same way Mirror readers have when they want to read pro Labour and socialist material.
     
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    You don't believe "scare stories"....my industry is in limbo as no-one wants to commit to anything until a deal has either been struck or is totally out of the water. With the governments U turn on Huawei, we're at the mercy of Sweden (Ericsson) and Finland (Nokia) and their supply lines, and are already facing import issues resulting in massive empty spaces in my work diary. All the talk is of work re-starting in late February once the operators have established what tariffs they will have to pay on getting new equipment into the country and how this will impact their costs. Personally, for me, it's a ****ing disaster
     
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