Off Topic Covid 19 restrictions have done one

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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
That’s the worst insult ever lol !!

This all comes down to the with & from debate. For a period of time Mar - Aug (I think) anyone who dies with a positive test was recorded as a Covid death regardless of the actual causation of death. The example widely reported at the time was if someone with a positive test got run over by a bus it was Covid that killed them!!
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The ONS data is compiled based on the cause of death, as stated on the death certificate.

If someone dies of natural causes and had tested positive within the past 28 days, then it's likely it will get a mention on the death certificate.

If someone has a bullet hole in their head, it quite obviously won't.
 
originallambrettaman said:
The ONS data is compiled based on the cause of death, as stated on the death certificate.

If someone dies of natural causes and had tested positive within the past 28 days, then it's likely it will get a mention on the death certificate.

If someone has a bullet hole in their head, it quite obviously won't.
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On this occasion you are wrong. The flaw in the data collection has now been closed
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Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.

“By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.”
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html

Dr Susan Hopkins, Public Health England Incident Director, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting deaths from COVID-19. In England, we count all those that have died who had a positive COVID-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible.
 
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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
That’s the worst insult ever lol !!

This all comes down to the with & from debate. For a period of time Mar - Aug (I think) anyone who dies with a positive test was recorded as a Covid death regardless of the actual causation of death. The example widely reported at the time was if someone with a positive test got run over by a bus it was Covid that killed them!!
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I think the claims had legs at the start of the crisis, and it led to them changing the way the numbers were recorded.

"A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later," they wrote.

A review of how deaths from coronavirus are counted in England has reduced the UK death toll by more than 5,000, to 41,329, the government has announced.

The recalculation is based on a new definition of who has died from Covid.

Previously, people in England who died at any point following a positive test, regardless of cause, were counted in the figures.

But there will now be a cut-off of 28 days, providing a more accurate picture of the epidemic.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53722711
 
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SW3 Chelsea Tiger said:
On this occasion you are wrong. The flaw in the data collection has now been closed
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Anyone who has tested COVID positive but subsequently died at a later date of any cause will be included on the PHE COVID death figures.

“By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a COVID death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.”
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-phe-accused-exaggerating-deaths-093838013.html

Dr Susan Hopkins, Public Health England Incident Director, said: “Although it may seem straightforward, there is no WHO agreed method of counting deaths from COVID-19. In England, we count all those that have died who had a positive COVID-19 test at any point, to ensure our data is as complete as possible.
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That's the PHE data (subsequently rectified), that doesn't apply to the ONS data, which as I said, was always based on the actual death certificate.
 
Department of Health in climbdown after online swipe at The Mail's analysis of Covid-19 facts and figures
  • The Mail said Government predictions on potential fatalities were inaccurate
  • Whitehall spin doctors used official Twitter account to try to rubbish the report
  • The department failed to identify a single error in the figures and data we used.

The tweet from the department of health has now been deleted.
 
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balkan tiger said:
Department of Health in climbdown after online swipe at The Mail's analysis of Covid-19 facts and figures
  • The Mail said Government predictions on potential fatalities were inaccurate
  • Whitehall spin doctors used official Twitter account to try to rubbish the report
  • The department failed to identify a single error in the figures and data we used.

The tweet from the department of health has now been deleted.
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Are you outing yourself as a Mail journo?
 
originallambrettaman said:
Coronavirus rules will be relaxed over Christmas across the UK under a plan to let people celebrate with their families.

Leaders in England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland have agreed their respective restrictions should change to be harmonised "for a small number of days" over the festive period.

While the details are still being worked out, the aim of allowing "additional household bubbling" was confirmed in a statement released on Sunday.

Boris Johnson is to detail his winter strategy on Monday afternoon and ministers will set out which tier each area is going into on Thursday.

Several households - potentially three - could be allowed to create a bubble temporarily between 24 and 28 December.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-ch...e-festive-season-12138882?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
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That’s ****ing mental.
 
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if they allow 3 households, we know that many will make it 4/5/6.... then the next day, the 4/5/6 ill go and visit another household and so on for the next 5 days or however long people decide Christmas lasts for. No one has mentioned New Years Eve yet..!!... nor has any mentioned the pub parties between December 3rd and the Christmas 5 day grace period, not forgetting the mass shopping extravaganza. I appreciate its a tough decision, but in reality its madness...
 
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balkan tiger said:
No, it's one of if not the only paper you can get to see on-line free and easy.
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There are loads of papers still free online. The Mail is probably the most widely read, along with the Guardian.There are others, with lots of pictures and short words, for the likes of Mr Hatem.
 
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