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  1. ned_werby

    ned_werby Well-Known Member

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    Simply addressing the thread title........not knowingly.
     
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    dansafcman Well-Known Member

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    I think Barnes has taken a really bad example, but you're looking at the wrong statistics imo

    Most top managers are ex pro footballers. What % of league players are black? How many of them get their manager badges?
    How many white players get their badges?
    (Name players retired in the last 10 years who've got a manager job) .
    Of the numbers getting badges, how many go on to manage in the top leagues?

    If less % black players are getting badges, why?
    If less %of them are getting top jobs, why?
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    Nothing more likely to turn people away from the cause imo ...

    ...Barnes always lets himself down in the media.
     
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  4. Iain

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    I would actually agree with what you say, the problem is we don't know these numbers.
    This is just a guess but I have a feeling that the % of ex black players that do their coaching badges will be a lot lower than the % of white players.
    All im going of for this assumption mind is I think there would be a lot more ex black players stating that they aren't getting jobs.
    Like I said earlier the ones making most noise are the ones that have had jobs but actually weren't very good at it.
    If the % is the same ratio as it is to current players, yes something really needs to be done, but without those numbers we can't really say how fair it is.
    Also as the saying goes the best players don't always make the best managers
     
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    I'd argue Chris Hughton won't ever have trouble getting a job as he is a good manager.
     
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    I’d take him over Parky tbf.
     
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    MrRAWhite Well-Known Member

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    If you look at TV News programmes they are massively over represented in comparison to the general population.
     
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    Milton Nunez's Thong Well-Known Member

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    Agree with that - but I think that's because he's worked hard to get to the level where he is held in that regard. There does seem to be a reluctance for Premier league teams to go for him though, despite his reputation.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    I've noticed this little error. The guy must keep forgetting what he's been saying.



    But he said this 5 month ago...

    Barnes endured the shortest reign as Hoops manager in history and was bulleted seven months into his first coaching post.

    The Liverpool legend was sacked 20 years ago after a humiliating home Scottish Cup defeat at the hands of Inverness.

    The former England star accepts his own failings, although insists they were made worse by then chief executive Allan MacDonald at his unveiling, and the senior players at Celtic.

    Barnes said: “From the first day I never had the dressing room, but that had nothing to do with my colour."

    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sp...celtic-john-barnes-dressing-room-skin-colour/
     
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  10. Iain

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    I do agree with that but I also think that someone like Patrick Vera or Vincent Company ever really wanted to get into management im sure at least 10 - 12 PL clubs would be interested.
    I'm not saying that there isnt prejudices towards black people but we cant say that it exists in football management unless we have the figures for % of black players who have done their coaching badges and actually want to become a manager.
    I think if Defoe does his badges and its what he wants to do I think he'll not be short of offers so I may be wrong but I don't think people are being overlooked because of their skin colour its because the club don't think they will be capable of the job.
    Also the ruling they were bringing in about having to interview 1 black person for each vacancy if they apply.
    I personally find that offensive to black people, I know personally I would not want to be interviewed just because the colour of my skin, I'd want that interview because the club owners thought that I could be capable of doing a job
     
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