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Boris...

  • should completely lock us down immediately and fook up all our Christmas'

    Votes: 3 12.5%

  • let the bodies stack high

    Votes: 13 54.2%

  • lock us down from the 29th to fook up Treble's plans

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Total voters
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Solid_Air 2 said:
this is the problem when people talk about hospital services being stopped due to covid 19 they fail to realise if it is rife hospitals will stop activity anyway as HAI's are a real danger normally but when it is as infectious as this it can rip thru a hospital .
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Not to mention the massive staff shortages caused by infection and the number of beds required to house the ill. I can’t believe people have forgotten those images from Italy already ffs. Dumb as ****.
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
this is the problem when people talk about hospital services being stopped due to covid 19 they fail to realise if it is rife hospitals will stop activity anyway as HAI's are a real danger normally but when it is as infectious as this it can rip thru a hospital .
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This is true but probably not to the same extent (though there's no way of telling for certain of course - either way). I know that in a few local trusts down here it's felt that elective work was stopped too soon based on grim predictions rather than what was actually happening. Though we've not been hit anywhere near as badly down here of course in comparison to other areas.

Read something from CRUK the other day saying that 3 million people have missed cancer scans, and an estimated 350,000 fewer have been referred for urgent treatment. That's awful no matter how you look at it.
 
I Love Heung Min Son said:
This is true but probably not to the same extent (though there's no way of telling for certain of course - either way). I know that in a few local trusts down here it's felt that elective work was stopped too soon based on grim predictions rather than what was actually happening. Though we've not been hit anywhere near as badly down here of course in comparison to other areas.

Read something from CRUK the other day saying that 3 million people have missed cancer scans, and an estimated 350,000 fewer have been referred for urgent treatment. That's awful no matter how you look at it.
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oh i agree elective surgery was stopped too soon but that was in effect a NHS decision but the cancer stuff is slightly different as a reasonable proportion of that was due to people refusing to go to hospitals due to the risk of contracting covid and the GP's doing phone only consultations and missing cases for referral .
I still fail to see why the Nightingale wards weren't used as Covid positive zones to free up space in hospitals to try and set up infection breaks or vice versa .
 
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Solid_Air 2 said:
oh i agree elective surgery was stopped too soon but that was in effect a NHS decision but the cancer stuff is slightly different as a reasonable proportion of that was due to people refusing to go to hospitals due to the risk of contracting covid and the GP's doing phone only consultations and missing cases for referral .
I still fail to see why the Nightingale wards weren't used as Covid positive zones to free up space in hospitals to try and set up infection breaks or vice versa .
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Tbh I personally think the media have got a lot to answer for in terms of the fear they instilled in people where it wasn't fully justified in a lot of cases. You're right that it's mental that people were missing those sorts of diagnostics/treatments for it though.

Problem with Nightingale's is there was the never the capacity to staff them.
 
Solid_Air 2 said:
oh i agree elective surgery was stopped too soon but that was in effect a NHS decision but the cancer stuff is slightly different as a reasonable proportion of that was due to people refusing to go to hospitals due to the risk of contracting covid and the GP's doing phone only consultations and missing cases for referral .
I still fail to see why the Nightingale wards weren't used as Covid positive zones to free up space in hospitals to try and set up infection breaks or vice versa .
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They couldn’t man the Nightingale hospitals.

How many 4,000 bed hospitals are there in the U.K.?

None.

An average general has circa 1,000 beds and 10x that in employees. There was never going to be the staff to man the white elephants and they knew it.

They were barely used, as when hospitals were calling to seek a transfer of a patients, they were told to send staff with them, which was completely impossible to achieve.
 
My mate who died a few months back died because when he went to the NHS they told him to **** off, you've most likely got covid. Turns out he didn't. Had a chest/blood clot problem that could have been resolved if they'd bothered to look at his medical records.
NHS now getting sued, and rightly so.
 
Schlem Boogerman said:
My mate who died a few months back died because when he went to the NHS they told him to **** off, you've most likely got covid. Turns out he didn't. Had a chest/blood clot problem that could have been resolved if they'd bothered to look at his medical records.
NHS now getting sued, and rightly so.
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Consultants failing to look at medical records is not really the fault of covid, but actually from my experience a fault of paper based records, and over worked medical staff.

Supposedly records are computerised these days, the reality they are not, and they do not link up accurately between your GP practise and the hospital. I have both apps, GP and NHS, neither match records identically, and there is a huge amount of information not available to the patient, why, because it's still on paper records - as well stuff you are prevented from seeing.

Funninly enough, I only had this discussion with my doctor a month or two back, she was looking at a referral to a different hospital, for two separate consultants, but at the same hospital, the reason, to avoid my PAPER records getting seperated.

I've even had it face to face with a consultant, you get someone different and you can tell instantly they aint got a clue what they are talking about, then the penny eventually drops on examination and it's oh ****te you've got xyz.....No shiite you don't say...ffs <doh>
 
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brb said:
Consultants failing to look at medical records is not really the fault of covid, but actually from my experience a fault of paper based records, and over worked medical staff.

Supposedly records are computerised these days, the reality they are not, and they do not link up accurately between your GP practise and the hospital. I have both apps, GP and NHS, neither match records identically, and there is a huge amount of information not available to the patient, why, because it's still on paper records - as well stuff you are prevented from seeing.

Funninly enough, I only had this discussion with my doctor a month or two back, she was looking at a referral to a different hospital, for two separate consultants, the reason, to aovid my records getting seperated.

I've even had it face to face with a consultant, you get someone different and you can tell instantly they aint got a clue what they are talking about, then the penny eventually drops on examination and it's oh ****te you've got xyz.....No shiite you don't say...ffs <doh>
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I'll leave that for his dad's lawyer to sort out.
They've properly ****ed up.
 
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Schlem Boogerman said:
I'll leave that for his dad's lawyer to sort out.
They've properly ****ed up.
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I received a letter about a couple of weeks back from the hospital, it was informing my doctor I was going to have an op in June, the letter was 4 months out of date. <laugh>

It gets worse....I had the hospital call me, asking how I was now before th Op. I said i've HAD surgery. Oh did you?....oh yeah looking at your records now, I can see you have. <doh>
 
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brb said:
I received a letter about a couple of weeks back from the hospital, it was informing my doctor I was going to have an op in June, the letter was 4 months out of date. <laugh>

It gets worse....I had the hospital call me, asking how I was now before th Op. I said i've HAD surgery. Oh did you?....oh yeah looking at your records now, I can see you have. <doh>
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Had an eye(it's blind as ****) appointment booked in for August. Dunno when it's gonna actually happen.
 
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Number of people hospitalised with COVID now over 3,000 and at exactly the same level it was on March 23rd.

We’ve seemingly learnt nothing in the last 6 months.
 
I Love Heung Min Son said:
Tbh I personally think the media have got a lot to answer for in terms of the fear they instilled in people where it wasn't fully justified in a lot of cases. You're right that it's mental that people were missing those sorts of diagnostics/treatments for it though.

Problem with Nightingale's is there was the never the capacity to staff them.
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oh i know the staff issue but by moving staff from other hospitals you could create isolation zones in the normal hospital by closing down some areas .
Might not be feasible but never heard of any talk of it being considered which surprised me .
 
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