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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    It’s the important issue of the day according to the same right wing mouthpieces rolled out to distract from every government monstrosity of the last year. It was too soon to roll out the dinghy issue again and Meghan Markle was already in the news.
     
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  3. ELLERS

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    Barnier ploy will cost EU big time
    By David Davis, Ex Brexit Secretary

    Well now I've seen everything. The gullible British Remainer Press report breathlessly that Michel Barnier is telling us (yet again) that the Brexit negotiations are “running out of time.”

    This of course is the man who squandered a year on the minutiae of the Withdrawal Agreement whilst refusing to discuss the hugely important future trade arrangement, all the while claiming that we were “running out of time.”

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    Michel Barnier's ploy will cost the EU big time, warns David Davis
    Rather shamefully the British government put up with this nonsense, which led in turn to my resignation – but that is a story for another day.

    Now Barnier is desperate to resolve his so-called redline issues before we get to the critical endgame.

    I have always said that the last three weeks will matter more than the first three years.

    But there will come a time very shortly when we will have to shift the thrust of our preparations towards No Deal.

    The reason for this is that the European Union always runs out the clock. When it is bullying some smaller state this works to its advantage.

    In the Brexit negotiation what will happen in the last few weeks is that the nation states of Europe will have to come to terms with the size of the risks that Barnier is taking.

    If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.

    They stand to lose access to the most efficient financial market in the world, the City, which provides brilliantly low cost and low risk finance to all of their industries. They think that is punishing us, but they will really punish themselves if we are smart about it.

    They stand to lose any access to British fisheries, rather than the sensible and civilised arrangements that would apply once they accept agreed British control of our waters.

    They stand to lose the funding that was agreed under the Withdrawal Agreement, which was agreed on the presumption that we would get a trade deal, a political promise that the EU is failing to keep.

    If we end up with a no deal scenario – and it is possible – the Europeans stand to lose a large and very profitable marketplace, namely the United Kingdom.

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    Without a reasonable trade deal there is nothing to stop the United Kingdom repudiating the whole agreement, and simply maintaining the parts that we as a civilised nation would of course apply – including for example the protection of the rights of European Citizens.

    But pay money? Why? Recognise European product classifications in the UK, the so-called Geographical Indications, that protect individual European products like ham,or cheese, or

    beer or wine? Why should we not allow cheaper and better products from the rest of the world to use the names in our Supermarkets?

    This would not be the best outcome, but we would manage perfectly well.

    If the EU put tariffs on our goods, we will return the favour, and make money on it. Our currency would no doubt adjust to keep us competitive.

    And without the limitations of EU law, we could support the industries that the EU is trying to punish.

    Which of course is one of the reasons that the EU is trying to tie our hands on state subsidies to industry.

    Britain has always been much less likely to use these than European nations, but the Europeans know that they are a potential defensive weapon if they try to punish our industries.

    David Frost, our Brexit negotiator, is doing a good job. He has been clear on our “red lines”. Unlike the EU “red lines”, these are not just ideas made up by the Government, they are the direct outcome of the referendum. As such they represent the people's decision, and are not subject to concession.

    We are not going to allow Brussels to decide our laws – which is what Barnier means by a level playing field. So it is time that the Europeans woke up to the realities.

    It is clear that there are only two options now for leaving at the end of the transition period, a no deal exit or a zero-tariff deal. All sensible business owners will be preparing for both.

    Deferral and delay is the only thing that affects certainty and the delay on March 29th last year was the only time when the economy was rattled – businesses will be ready for Brexit come what may when the transition period finishes at the end of the year.

    Certainty is what both business and the country as a whole require, not just to get Brexit done but also to help ensure that the economy bounces back from the negative economic effects of the lockdown.
     
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  4. ELLERS

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    So he is only allowed to speak about certain things? mmm I know your type?
     
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    Always time well spent to slag off the elite, bloated, woke, cocaine sniffing BBC
     
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    You have an uncanny ability to miss, ignore or twist every point made to you Ellers.

    What type would I be then?
     
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    Ignoring things that don’t suit your agenda.
     
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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>

    Said with zero sense of irony.
     
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    Stroller you can’t dismiss important things like the Proms and singing those songs at the end are part of this countries make up. Boris was right to speak up about it. Many many people will agree with him. Whereas your mate Starmer will sit and say nothing until something goes wrong. Funny that
     
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    Totally, they are the really important things! Really really important.
     
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    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Once again Bob you let yourself down. Are you now saying the Proms and classical music is not important? Are you saying that not playing certain music to please a minority of people at the BBC will not affect things?
    you need to look deeper into things.
     
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  12. BobbyD

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    someones really showing their age <laugh>
     
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    Next year, the Proms will climax with Stormzy miming Smack My Bitch Up
     
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    No I said they were really really important .....
     
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    I bloody knew it! I heard these women talking to VD this morning and thought WTF


     
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    The BBC made out that they were normal worried mums.
    All these women did throughout the interview was to knock the government On every point
    And people wonder why I don’t trust the Media when discussing the government? As I said it is a converted plan to undermine the government.
     
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    Obviously abnormal worried mums.
     
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  18. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    Sorry Bob there is no point debating this.
    The BBC conned viewers into believing they were a couple of mums who came onto the program to discuss their concerns about children returning to school... not a couple of planted activists. This is where Some people’s arguments have no credibility.
     
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    Shock horror! What did they end up discussing?
     
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  20. ELLERS

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    In all fairness Bob you are one who castigates the government at every opportunity. You countless testing posts on the other thread confirm this.
    You obviously have a beef with the government ( this was evident before Covid). You point of view goes out to a few bods on a football site. It doesn’t go out to many watching a World news program.
    What we expect in a democratic country is a fair and unbiased news programme. I expect the presenters and the corporation to be impartial. Sadly the BBC has continuously managed to do the opposite. Like that stupid drunk on Newsnight they have once again deliberately used their political views to knock the government.
    You may joke about this but it’s actually quite serious. You complain when you think the government is lying yet you make light of a deliberate one side debate? Sorry Bob it’s not on.
     
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