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Surely a majority of those that would be considered for this option, would not have the mental capacity to decide, so I see your logic of thinking as always, flawed

 

I wonder if George Orwell approved of State assisted suicide, hmmm...

 

Lost a good mate to MND. He was only 43 when it finally took him ... he was a fine athlete at school and we played footie together into our late 20s ... he was diagnosed with it in his mid 30s ... ****ing horrible disease / condition ...

 

this is also a major factor.

 

We supply arms to countries and states that eliminate plenty of innocent victims in the likes of Syria do we not ?
And they dont want to leave the earth .
Like you say let them decide

 

U hate anyone having a different opinion don't you.......tough fking ****

 

Don't be in any doubt mate, it already exists in this country. They just call it a different name - "the pathway".

Anyone who's been on the end of it, been pressured by doctors and even had said doctors manoeuvre events t0 get the patient on it, knows all about it

 

Care to explain?

 

Wot!?

I merely asked you, what George Orwell's opinion would have been on State Suicide. Clearly, very clearly, I've touched a nerve

 

Trebs is referring to this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23698071

 

I think I've found a minor dent in Abers, George Orwell theories, oops.

 

Assisted dying usually involves being administered something to speed death.

The alternative is, in some conditions where the doctors have given up, especially in those where the patient is sedated, the process is to withdraw all necessary sustenance needed to continue life and let the organs shut down one by one until finally the heart gives in. It's been a couple of years but I remember it as The Pathway. I felt completely like the decision was being taken away from me. And when I tried to look for some form of graduated response - a stepped approach where your starting position is to try and prolong or save that life, the doctors manoeuvred events to ensure they put it into action anyway. I had little or no say in the matter. For me it was assisted death in all but name - although granted it wasn't like they were administering anything, but withdrawing.

 

Yes. Absolutely this

Though mine was a difference medical scenario.

 

Yeah OK dude... My nerves are frayed at such a stupid question

 

Shame you don't read, what you preach...

Professor Glover: I should put my cards on the table I am not a religious believer. I am actually not a typical subscriber to the principle of sanctity of life either, but I think that it is one value that I very well understand the pull of without it being a matter of it being commanded by God.

What I understand the secular version to be is identical to what I understand the religious version to be— namely, that there is an absolute barrier, an absolute ban, not derived from a religious source, on the intentional taking of innocent human life.

It is the same principle, and if it seems a puzzle why someone who does not believe it is God who says "Thou shalt not kill" should take that view, perhaps I could mention George Orwell—and this links back to capital punishment. George Orwell describes how, when he was in the colonial service, somewhere in the Far East—I forget exactly where but possibly Burma—he was once part of a group of men who were present at an execution.

He describes walking towards the place of the execution, the group of the guards, the officials and so on, and in the middle was the man who was to be executed. As they walked along the path there was a puddle and everybody, including the man who was about to be executed, swerved to avoid the puddle.

At that moment George Orwell suddenly had this very powerful intuitive response. He said that here we were, a group of men, walking along together, and all of our bodies were toiling away as they usually do—hearts were working, brains were working, it was all working—but in a few moments there would be one of these people less— "One life less, one world less", he said. "At that moment it came to me", as he put it, "the unspeakable wrongness of cutting off a life in full tide."

 

Btw I was listening on the radio today to various medical professionals talking about the number of Coronavirus patients (particularly the elderly) who were all labelled "Do Not Resuscitate" or DNR in ICUs. The first hand accounts suggest it wasn't personalised but seemed to be a blanket decision on wards in some hospitals.

That's another beaut. I've had that said to me as well by doctors though not relating to coronavirus. It was actually as a condition which I had to agree to for allowing a loved one to be admitted to ICU at The Christie. Fcking joke!

 

In the good old days we just had a nice big shot of morphine and the family were told " it was for the best " .

 

Well, I'm done, that should keep Abers in material for a few hours...enjoy.

 

Still the same only administered by the morphine driver....