1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

A bit of respect?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Dancingstripes, Aug 18, 2020.

  1. DH4

    DH4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    6,956
    So you are admitting the likliehood is the same that he did or didn't but you are saying he didn't based on that nobody can prove it's true. Double standards?
     
    #21
  2. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    I don't know what happened with the Americans, and you won't find a single person that does.

    You are basing your argument on pure speculation with zero facts.

    Anyone can start a rumour, and it's not fair to base an opinion on someone using that rumour.
     
    #22
    clockstander likes this.
  3. DH4

    DH4 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    6,956
    So you don't know either way then? Until you can give me verifiable facts I don't believe you.
     
    #23
  4. clockstander

    clockstander Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2013
    Messages:
    22,118
    Likes Received:
    43,102
    I feel sorry for SD he was close to fulfilling his and the supporters hopes in his first season, a miracle really when you look back on it, and last seasons fiasco was not of his making either, but brought about by the incompetence of the idiots who run the league, allowing self interest to over-ride fair play. We could do worse than sticking behind the current owner and not insulting the man until he decides to leave imo.
     
    #24
  5. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Yeah just like you I don't know either way.

    Hence why I'm not chucking unproven accusations at people.

    If we get new owners I hope they are great like every fan wants.

    But god help them if an unfounded rumour starts about them, because people like you will jump straight on their backs.
     
    #25
    The Norton Cat likes this.
  6. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,368
    Likes Received:
    14,678
    First half of the first season, I agree with you he halted a very rapid financial decline of SAFC. His greatest achievement in my opinion was offloading the high earners who had no interest in being at the club but were on wages that few clubs could match and also sorting out the court cases of Ndong, Djilobodji and Alvarez

    Then his craving for attention and constant appearances in the media exposed the disingenuous nature of his funding of the purchase. If he was honest from day one (a) how much he paid for the club and (b) how he financed the purchase I would have accepted that because of the financial mess the club was in, but he lied, deflected and changed his story each time he appeared in the media. He took his eye off the ball with Maja (I don’t blame Donald for Maja leaving in January, I blame him for not securing a contract in the first couple of weeks of the season before he established himself in the first team).

    Unfortunately in his haste to turn a profit, his performance as an owner last season and to date is deplorable and the sooner him and his cronies have gone the sooner the club can begin to repair the damage they have caused.
     
    #26
    Makemstine Roger, Saf and Sandy Camel like this.
  7. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Agree with a lot of that.

    Regarding Maja. He had done little until the goals he started to bang in, and by then he was well into the final year of his contract.

    Yes, he could have done better, but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

    If Maja was handed a big contract when SD walked through the door, and went on to flop, we would have another unwanted high earning player stuck at the club.

    Big new contracts were a sensitive thing at our club, at that time.
     
    #27
    Jme and Montysoptician like this.
  8. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,368
    Likes Received:
    14,678
    No contract, Big contract? there is always somewhere between. It was obvious that Maja was a prospect and deserved an offer. Donald himself said that, but went on to admit that he prioritised other, more senior signings and contracts. I believe that Maja would have signed a contract if offered, before he hit the first team.
     
    #28
    Makemstine Roger, Saf and DH4 like this.
  9. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Yes possibly.

    Again, it's hindsight.

    Is SD responsible for the error? Yes, but not on the scale some say.
     
    #29
    Montysoptician likes this.
  10. Montysoptician

    Montysoptician Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2011
    Messages:
    6,368
    Likes Received:
    14,678
    I do agree with you. Hindsight is always in 20/20 vision and Donald had other priorities such as the court cases, building a squad for his first season and getting rid of high earners who had no interest in playing for us
     
    #30

  11. Huds0n

    Huds0n Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    252
    Likes Received:
    665
    I can dispute it, and I will.

    When he came in we had 2 years of parachute payments. We had money to come in from the sales of Khazri, Borini, Kone. We had all fans on side, all excited at where we could go. We had no debt. We had an opportunity to build a young side, with a certain footballing style and philosophy.

    2 years on were still in this league. We’ve no sellable assets. We’ve no parachute money. We’ve got a £9m loan. We’ve very, very few academy prospects to step into the side. We’ve a manager very few wanted.
     
    #31
  12. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Before he came in we were riddled with debt and a high wage bill. The parachute payments wouldn't have solved either of those issues.

    Our year in the championship under short, how much of the parachute money did we spend?

    How many saleable assets did we have when SD took over?

    Many people believed PP was the right man around January time.

    How many other buyers were interested in taking us from short?

    Certainly not FPP who were brought to the table under SD ownership.

    Would FPP have brought the club under the mess of 2 seasons ago, before the financial side was sorted by SD? They were nowhere to be seen.
     
    #32
  13. Comfy

    Comfy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2019
    Messages:
    3,873
    Likes Received:
    8,078
    I'm sure we were debt free as short paid up
     
    #33
    Huds0n likes this.
  14. Huds0n

    Huds0n Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2019
    Messages:
    252
    Likes Received:
    665
    We were debt free because Short paid it off. Donald has now got us a £9m loan whilst owing the club millions himself.

    Nobody knows how FPP came to the table. Rumours are they were introduced by O’Briens, but that’s just rumours. Just like Donald getting them is rumours.

    I couldn’t give a shiny ****e how many believed PP was a good appointment around January time. He was apparently brought in to get promotion, he failed. He was brought in because he was cheap. A telling summary of the last 2 years - cheap
     
    #34
    Comfy likes this.
  15. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    Yes under the condition Donald brought the club, which he did.
     
    #35
  16. Comfy

    Comfy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2019
    Messages:
    3,873
    Likes Received:
    8,078
    You said Donald had us debt free when in fact he got the club debt free and the went and got us into debt with a 9m loan.
    Anyway I shouldn't have got into this cause I think youre just trying to wind people up and I'm not gonna bite, just rejoice in the fact we'll soon have new owners and the fat dwarf will be gone
     
    #36
    Blond Bombshell likes this.
  17. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    The club being debt free would have been because of SDs negotiations with short when buying the club.

    But yeah, happy to end the convo here.
     
    #37
  18. Blond Bombshell

    Blond Bombshell Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2019
    Messages:
    14,795
    Likes Received:
    33,541
    Top post marra
     
    #38
  19. marcusblackcat

    marcusblackcat SAFC Sheriff
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    27,729
    Likes Received:
    30,761
    Ah yes. You must’ve been there. Short cleared all of the debt. Donald, as mentioned, got the club debt free. Who you hold responsible is pure conjecture. I see Short as responsible. You see Donald (or, possibly, use it to push your argument).

    in reality, he has got us into £9m of debt. He has also, in my book, stolen £20m from the club with those “exceptional operating expenses”.

    He sucked everyone in with his lies at the start. Praying the takeover is sorted soon!
     
    #39
    Comfy, DH4 and Evil Jimmy Krankie like this.
  20. Dancingstripes

    Dancingstripes Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,145
    Likes Received:
    1,527
    The debt is owed to FPP, who most are praying take over the club.

    Yes terrible move from Donald.

    As I've said before I want SD gone, but the abuse he has suffered and is getting currently, is showing us up as supporters.

    He's been nowhere near perfect, but if we end up in the hands of billionaires there should be no nastiness towards him.
     
    #40

Share This Page