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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, Feb 8, 2020.

  1. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Sorry it's not Kalegi but Kalergi, with an R. This relates initially to the works of Richard Nikolaus Coudenhove-Kalergi. His works have been used to develop a conspiracy theory about his works - which,originally, contained no 'plan' whatsoever. The non existent Kalergi Plan was first raised by Gerd Honsik, an Austrian Neo Nazi, and supposes an ethnic takeover of European cultures by non European peoples, thus leading to a dilution of European culture which would then be taken over by a Jewish elite. The use of the expression ''Kalergi Plan'' is specific to right wing neo Nazi groups and to American white supremacist groups - I have never heard the expression used by anyone else. The weaving of such a conspiracy theory into Covid 19 could only come from one source.
     
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  2. Butthuber

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    Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi´s father was an Austrian diplomat named Heinrich von Coudenhove-Kalergi (with connections to the Byzantine family of the Kallergis) and his mother the Japanese Mitsu Aoyama. Kalergi, thanks to his close contacts with all European aristocrats and politicians, due to the relationships of his nobleman-diplomat father, and by moving behind the scenes, away from the glare of publicity, he managed to attract the most important heads of state to his plan , making them supporters and collaborators for the “project of European integration”.

    In 1922 he founded the “Pan-European” movement in Vienna, which aimed to create a New World Order, based on a federation of nations led by the United States.European integration would be the first step in creating a world government. Among the first supporters, including Czech politicians Tomáš Masaryk and Edvard Beneš and the banker Max Warburg, who invested the first 60,000 marks. The Austrian Chancellor Ignaz Seipel and the next president of Austria, Karl Renner, took the responsibility for leading the “Pan-European” movement. Later, French politicians, such as Léon Bloum, Aristide Briand, Alcide De Gasperi, etc will offer their help.

    With the rise of Fascism in Europe, the project was abandoned and the “Pan-European” movement was forced to dissolve, but after the Second World War, Kalergi, thanks to frantic and tireless activity and the support of Winston Churchill, the Jewish Masonic Lodge B’nai B’rith and major newspapers like the New York Times, the plan manages to be accepted by the United States Government. The CIA later undertakes the completion of the project.

    In his book «Praktischer Idealismus (Practical Idialism», Kalergi indicates that the residents of the future “United States of Europe” will not be the People of the Old Continent, but a kind of sub-humans, products of miscegenation. He clearly states that the peoples of Europe should interbreed with Asians and colored races, thus creating a multinational flock with no quality and easily controlled by the ruling elite. Kalergi proclaims the abolition of the right of self-determination and then the elimination of nations with the use of ethnic separatist movements and mass migration. In order for Europe to be controlled by an elite, he wants to turn people into one homogeneous mixed breed of Blacks, Whites and Asians.

    The most important book (Practical Idialism) states the following (link to book attached).

    The man of the future will be of mixed race. The races and classes of today will gradually disappear due to the elimination of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-******* race of the future, similar in appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples and the diversity of individuals. Instead of destroying European Judaism, Europe, against her will, refined and educated this people, driving them to their future status as a leading nation through this artificial evolutionary process. It’s not surprising that the people that escaped from the Ghetto-Prison, became the spiritual nobility of Europe. Thus, the compassionate care given by Europe created a new breed of aristocrats. This happened when the European feudal aristocracy crashed because of the emancipation of the Jews [due to the actions taken by the French Revolution

    https://archive.org/details/PracticalIdealism-EnglishTranslation

    The Coudenhove-Kalergi European Prize is awarded every two years to Europeans who have excelled in promoting this criminal plan. Among those awarded with such a prize are Angela Merkel and Herman Van Rompuy.

    Facts and not the drivel you get from Khmer Green
     
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  3. bobmid

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    Can we please just stick to slagging off the government, their guidelines and their response to the pandemic please!
     
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  4. colognehornet

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    I think it must be obvious to everyone on here by now that you have no interest whatsoever in Covid 19 but are simply highjacking the theme for political purposes.
     
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    :emoticon-0148-yes: :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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  6. Butthuber

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    Of course.

    But not answering a question that deserved a response would have been very impolite.
     
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  7. Stroller

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    The government's outsourced track and trace systems employs 27,000 people. In the last 8 weeks, they have contacted 218,000 potential carriers of the virus. That's one contact per tracer per week. World-beating.
     
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    Local lockdown restrictions bought into force in Aberdeen....pubs and restaurants closed

    Posted at 12:1912:19
    BREAKINGAberdeen cluster rises to 54 cases
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    First Minister Nicola Sturgeon confirms 54 cases are associated with the Aberdeen cluster.

    191 close contacts have been contacted but this is expected to increase in the coming days, she adds.

    Overall, 64 new cases across Scotland have been reported, with 36 of these in the Grampian health board area - though it is unclear if all of these are connected to the Aberdeen outbreak


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  9. colognehornet

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    So, we have agreed to limit this to Covid 19. I promise I will not mention any of your other curious beliefs unless you do first. As for your demo in Berlin that is obviously open for discussion - according to your reckoning their were 1.3 million present, whereas every other reputable source (apart from the organisers) puts the figure at between 17 and 20 thousand. If we assume that you are correct, and everyone else on this planet is lying, then this would equate to just over 40 people per square metre (allowing for the area covoured) ! Allowing that most were not wearing masks then this appears to constitute one hell of a public health risk - I mean if even one in a thousand are infected then this would calculate into a thousand infected people in very close proximity to each other for rather a long time ! There really must have been a lot of infecting going on ! Assuming that also around one in a hundred either gets seriously ill, or dies, or has long lasting after affects from this disease then there is a probability that people will die unnecessarily as a result of your ****ing stupid demo. Does your concept of the freedom of the individual cover placing other people's lives unnecessarily at risk ? The more people we have sharing your beliefs the longer this whole thing will last, the worse the economic situation will become, and the more people will die
     
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  10. Butthuber

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    Anybody can see that those figures about 17 to 20 thousand are any utter lie and the first question you should ask yourself is why would the media does not want you an me to know that there were 1,3 million people ? We are talking about roughly 75 times the numbers that have been reported by the media. The media also reported that the demonstrators had acted they had acted agressavily injuring around 18 police officers - that is another utter lie. The very same day there were violent clashes with the extreme Left in the Berlin district of Neukölln. Are you naive enough to believe that the complete media might have mixed up the 2 demonstrations ?



    The reason why the media (world wide) lies is because they need to keep up the narrative of how dangerous SARS-CoV2 is until autumn in order to fabricated a 2nd wave. I do have first-hand information that there will be a 2nd wave in Germany by the end of August (early September). All mayors in Germeny have been informed about that and are preparing themselves for the 2nd lockdown. This will destroy the SME´s and people cannot pay debts and the financial crisis will hit. This has got nothing to do with a virus but with the transformation of the society.

    Besides, the politians are laughing at the people that do believe that story. Most of them did not believe how easy it would be to condition the people into the "right" direction.
     
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  11. colognehornet

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    I think you will find that if there is a second wave it will because of people like yourself ! By the way I am a friend of the local Mayor and what you say is bollocks, in fact we are preparing for local elections in September ! Your theory breaks down at the very first hurdle - do you seriously think that the health systems of every single country on this planet are all in this together simply to manufacture statistics out of nothing ?
     
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  12. Butthuber

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    You just don´t get and are stuck within the Overton window.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

    The September local elections in NRW will be interesting especially for the people wearing muzzles.
     
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    It was hailed as a “world-beating” service by prime minister Boris Johnson at its launch, but three months on and contact tracers hired to work on England’s test-and-trace system say they are making only a handful of calls every month and are occupying their time with barbecues and quizzes.
     
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  14. colognehornet

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    I think you will find that I am outside of this so called overton window in many ways Butthuber, more than is evident from my discourse with you. However - I am treating Covid 19 purely as a medical issue because all of the evidence which I see conforms to that. People are dying, and others are becoming very sick, others are being left with lasting side effects - and that is fact, not hypothesis. It is absolutely impossible for a hoax of this scale to be played through and to have the support of all governments and all health authorities Worldwide - what incentive would the Chinese government have to play along with such a conspiracy ? Or are they in it with Bill Gates and Greta Thunberg as well. There are too many elements to your conspiracy theory which are woven together in order to attack everything which you don't like. I am well prepared to believe that some governments have overeacted to an unprecedented situation - or that we went into a lockdown without any clear exit strategy - how do you 'unlock' a lockdown, at what stage do you do this ? When cases are falling, or when there are no more cases - the position is unclear. The difference between us is that you see conspiracy, and I see confusion. Nobody likes walking around with these masks, or not being able to go to concerts, or on holiday - but I do not see it as a loss of freedom, but rather as a sacrifice which I am making to protect other people. All freedoms are linked to responsibilities - is it a curtailment of my freedom that I cannot light up a cigarette and blow the smoke in your direction ? I just wouldn't do that whatever the legal position was, and the same applies to mask wearing - I do it because it is logical in the circumstances, not because of the law.
     
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    But if there's a second wave of the virus, some will consider it the fault of people having a day out at the beach, rather than the brainless morons in the government.
     
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    Let's wait for this first wave to be over before we start talking second waves.
     
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  17. colognehornet

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    It's not just governments which are on trial here Stroller, but whole societies. Without a sense of social responsibility on the part of elements of society Governments can do little. Unfortunately this has happened against a background of 40 years of consistent neo liberal ideology which has stressed the individual over community - maybe the communities of the 60s would have reacted in a more responsible way.
     
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    Another absolute zinger from Le Tiss. The utter gammonness of it.

     
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    It's been very poor.
    However, there are reports now that even when people are actually contacted, many are ignoring all advice to isolate etc.
    Others are apparently visiting A&E, being told they have the symptoms and should isolate, but simply carry on as normal.
    Whilst the government have got a lot wrong, there are other factors at play too, like the many cockwombles out there.
     
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    I think the initial community response was very good on the whole. I certainly expected far worse. A zillion people signed up to the app to do small tasks to help out locally. There was a real sense of people helping each other out, looking out for the elderly etc.

    As much as some people will make excuses for or play down the government’s role in the decline of that spirit, it doesn’t take Poirot to track and trace where it went wrong.
     
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