Coronavirus

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Deaths in England and Wales have remained below the five-year average for the fifth week in a row, according to the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

There were a total of 8,823 deaths registered in England and Wales in the week to 17 July - 270 fewer than the five-year average of 9,093.

 

[remembercolinlee]

just heading in to meetings , so short reply
The government has always said there could be risks if you choose to travel and that’s exactly what’s happened. I’m not sure why the very same people who have continuously criticised the government’s handling in the beginning are now criticising them for a swift response

My criticism is that this situation was always going to happen.
They should never have changed the travel rules imo.
I booked to go to the Canary Islands last January. The holiday was cancelled 3 weeks ago ... just after they said there was an air corridor to Spain.
There was no way I was going to stay in a hotel, half board and let my daughters use the spa facilities we booked. Even if the holiday was not cancelled I would not have gone. I'd rather lose the money than risk our health.

If I can figure that out I fail to see how the Government couldn't tbh.

 

[pieguts]

There was no need to include the Canaries and the Balearics in this measure. They have an infection rate far lower than mainland Spain and far lower than the UK. It should be Spain imposing the quarantine on travelers from the UK

I agree with Canaries and Balearics and that sounds crazy to me. Doesn’t seem to be a reason behind other than they are Spanish?

 

[BobbyD]

i'm thinking of going to the canaries this summer. I imagine the holiday is going to be cheap as chips now and not too populated

 

[Tobes]

i'm thinking of going to the canaries this summer. I imagine the holiday is going to be cheap as chips now and not too populated

Not necessarily as they’ll be cancelling bucket loads of flights now.

 

[Archers Road]

Simply they’re expecting U.K. citizens who travel back to quarantine for 2 weeks without them policing it.

I heard yesterday people describing how they are being asked to complete contact forms on flights, then no one is collecting them on arrival.

Also we’ve had the actual Health minister explaining how people should quarantine on return and it won’t affect their employment. Only if you’ve got less than 2 years service, this lot changed the rules and you’ve got zero protection, so an employer can do what they like. There’s no access to recourse as they’ve not legislated for this.

This from the BBC today...

Travellers from affected countries - including UK nationals - are asked to provide an address where they will self-isolate for 14 days. They can be fined £100 for failing to fill in a form with these details.

One in five eligible passengers will be called or texted to check they are following the rules.


So that's good. Fill in a form on the plane, and if anyone bothers to collect it, there's a one in 5 chance you'll get a text asking where you are. That should sort it.

 

[Archers Road]

Surely we’ve got the testing capacity (world-beating) and track and trace (world-beating) to be able to isolate anyone found to be positive quickly.

It's all going very well.

 

[pieguts]

My criticism is that this situation was always going to happen.
They should never have changed the travel rules imo.
I booked to go to the Canary Islands last January. The holiday was cancelled 3 weeks ago ... just after they said there was an air corridor to Spain.
There was no way I was going to stay in a hotel, half board and let my daughters use the spa facilities we booked. Even if the holiday was not cancelled I would not have gone. I'd rather lose the money than risk our health.

If I can figure that out I fail to see how the Government couldn't tbh.

Is it really up to the government to make that decision for you?

Like you, I had holidays booked plus my family and I have an apartment in Deniar Spain, that won’t get used this year. It really comes down to personal choice as to whether you are prepared to chance it or not.
At the time of the Government opening up travel to certain countries, it seemed like the right thing to do. Let’s be honest all of the experts have advocated its better to be outside and potentially the sun’s UV could have a positive affect on the virus.
I think there was a hope that we could at least get to September without seeing the spikes we are now experiencing. You’ve also got to remember that airlines and holiday companies have applied enormous pressure to resume travel.

I’m critical of the governments handling at the beginning and thought we waited to long to lock down, but I honestly don’t see what they’ve done wrong with the Spain situation. As said earlier, it may seem harsh but I would rather this and then a relaxation of the rules, than the alternative.

 

[armchairblue]

Anyone heard of SNG001?....A promlsing new therapeutic drug that protects the lungs from COV19 and other viruses
done very well in early testing.Apparently developed at Southampton Hospital.

 

[Archers Road]

Anyone heard of SNG001?....A promlsing new therapeutic drug that protects the lungs from COV19 and other viruses
done very well in early testing.Apparently developed at Southampton Hospital.

Is that the one where they bleach your lungs? Or shine a light inside the body?

 

[armchairblue]

Is that the one where they bleach your lungs? Or shine a light inside the body?

No.......Think it works like an asthma drug,seems well thought of.

 

[Treble]

My criticism is that this situation was always going to happen.
They should never have changed the travel rules imo.
I booked to go to the Canary Islands last January. The holiday was cancelled 3 weeks ago ... just after they said there was an air corridor to Spain.
There was no way I was going to stay in a hotel, half board and let my daughters use the spa facilities we booked. Even if the holiday was not cancelled I would not have gone. I'd rather lose the money than risk our health.

If I can figure that out I fail to see how the Government couldn't tbh.

This.

Economy. Irony being they've fcked the economy two-fold by doing just that. It's not like anyone said that would happen though....hmmmm

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

Simply they’re expecting U.K. citizens who travel back to quarantine for 2 weeks without them policing it.

I heard yesterday people describing how they are being asked to complete contact forms on flights, then no one is collecting them on arrival.

Also we’ve had the actual Health minister explaining how people should quarantine on return and it won’t affect their employment. Only if you’ve got less than 2 years service, this lot changed the rules and you’ve got zero protection, so an employer can do what they like. There’s no access to recourse as they’ve not legislated for this.

Is this where Tubby No Balls got his Plandemic nonsense from? Mikovits

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...o-plandemic-judy-mikovits-conspiracy-theories

 

[remembercolinlee]

Is it really up to the government to make that decision for you?

Like you, I had holidays booked plus my family and I have an apartment in Deniar Spain, that won’t get used this year. It really comes down to personal choice as to whether you are prepared to chance it or not.
At the time of the Government opening up travel to certain countries, it seemed like the right thing to do. Let’s be honest all of the experts have advocated its better to be outside and potentially the sun’s UV could have a positive affect on the virus.
I think there was a hope that we could at least get to September without seeing the spikes we are now experiencing. You’ve also got to remember that airlines and holiday companies have applied enormous pressure to resume travel.

I’m critical of the governments handling at the beginning and thought we waited to long to lock down, but I honestly don’t see what they’ve done wrong with the Spain situation. As said earlier, it may seem harsh but I would rather this and then a relaxation of the rules, than the alternative.

I don't expect the Government to make a decision for me, like I said previously, I wasn't prepared to take the risk...but people trusted the Government's judgement and many now face losing a lot of money that they have paid out in recent weeks to go abroad.

As for the risk being an individual choice, I worry that people will not self quarantine (like they won't wear masks) so the risk is passed around to other unsuspecting people.

The medical advice was it was a risk that was too much too soon.

The problem is that this will further erode people being willing to follow official advice imho.

I know the Government can not get everything right but this seemed avoidable to me.

Like I said ... this ain't aimed as a row with you. I find it useful to discuss this **** with people with different ideas...unless they are tinfoil hatted loonies like a certain poster<whistles>

 

[Commachio]

So what else can the goverment do?

damned if they do, damned if they dont.

 

[JakartaToon]

So what else can the goverment do?

damned if they do, damned if they dont.

Test on arrival. It's a fairly obvious solution and would mean the majority of people could reduce their self-isolation period by 12days. It would stimulate the tourist industry both in the UK and Spain and allow people to go on holiday knowing they might have to isolate for 14days but more likely a couple while they get the results of their test.

It costs about 150quid to get the test done privately - I reckon they could cover their costs for about 100quid per test, charged to each incoming passenger.

 

[pieguts]

Test on arrival. It's a fairly obvious solution and would mean the majority of people could reduce their self-isolation period by 12days. It would stimulate the tourist industry both in the UK and Spain and allow people to go on holiday knowing they might have to isolate for 14days but more likely a couple while they get the results of their test.

It costs about 150quid to get the test done privately - I reckon they could cover their costs for about 100quid per test, charged to each incoming passenger.

Sounds alright in theory but my company will still expect you to quarantine for the full 14 days, even with a negative test. Sounds barmy, I know, but they are terrified, even if the initial test comes back as negative, their still could be a chance that you could be a carrier.
IMO, this is one of the problems. The virus is still in its infancy with regards to being full understood, especially with transmission rates.

 

[Tobes]

So what else can the goverment do?

damned if they do, damned if they dont.

This is more about the how than the do or don’t.

What they’ve introduced is both too broad a ban and with literally zero enforcement measures attached.

So using Spain as the example, the 2 hotspots in Spain are Catalonia and Zaragoza iirc, so ban travel for U.K. citizens to those 2 regions, job done. Anyone already in those regions should face a screening on return and a stringent enforcement of quarantine with tracers contacting their employer and maybe daily contact via phone to the individual with a possible ‘no notice’ visit for a decent percentage of those who should be isolating, with a hefty fine if they’re not at home. This will only be a relatively small number of people so should be easily achievable give the number of tracers they’ve paid for ffs.

The rest of Spain shouldn’t be included. The Costas are showing no current issues nor the canaries or the Balearics, so leave them be.

Just for context here. Spain had 2 corona deaths yesterday, we had 119. But Europe provides the biggest threat or something.

 

[JakartaToon]

Sounds alright in theory but my company will still expect you to quarantine for the full 14 days, even with a negative test. Sounds barmy, I know, but they are terrified, even if the initial test comes back as negative, their still could be a chance that you could be a carrier.
IMO, this is one of the problems. The virus is still in its infancy with regards to being full understood, especially with transmission rates.

So why are your company even allowing anyone back to work then? Your chances of catching coronavirus are as high in the UK as they are in many of the currently accessible holiday destinations.

 

[pieguts]

I don't expect the Government to make a decision for me, like I said previously, I wasn't prepared to take the risk...but people trusted the Government's judgement and many now face losing a lot of money that they have paid out in recent weeks to go abroad.

As for the risk being an individual choice, I worry that people will not self quarantine (like they won't wear masks) so the risk is passed around to other unsuspecting people.

The medical advice was it was a risk that was too much too soon.

The problem is that this will further erode people being willing to follow official advice imho.

I know the Government can not get everything right but this seemed avoidable to me.

Like I said ... this ain't aimed as a row with you. I find it useful to discuss this **** with people with different ideas...unless they are tinfoil hatted loonies like a certain poster<whistles>

I don’t see this as anything other than discussion RCL. There’s only a couple who don’t like having there perceived Intellectual standing challenged on here