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I have googled this. And found nothing that is relevant. Please explain your code and if I am being stupid in failing to work it out, message me privately
We did well from the Austin deal, so I have no beef with him. And besides, I imagine he'll be having a twitter meltdown at WBA in two months!
You really like Charlie Austin then??
Wigan has to be the first club ever relegated (by the table, not a Juventus sort of thing) with a positive goal differential. What an indictment of the football powers-that-be.
If this penalty stands, they will have massive sympathy and secondary support for next season.
We must have had 2 Yorkshire sides when Leeds were last in the prem, so about 16 years ago, if the blue half of Sheffield were also there back then. I think I they were.
Not sure on the Midlands piece though, got me stumped Ides.
And if the post from Stjabbo1 means what I think, it's pretty unfair of him and unnecessary, after all this is a forum where everyone should be made to feel comfortable to ask Qs, so I'd move on from that one!
Hopefully it means something totally different.
I have said this before but I think that the deduction of points for financial irregularities or where teams go into administration is not the correct solution. The situation in the Championship with Wigan, Derby and Birmingham all potentially being penalized is making a mockery of the sport. Taking points from the teams affected means that the sporting element is secondary. Theoretically, you could have a league where promotion, relegation and league position is decided entirely by the financial performance of a club irrespective of what goes on on the pitch. I makes the positions of the players and coaching staff an irrelevance.
I think that the wrong people are punished. The supporters are the ones who suffer as their hopes are quashed and they realize that the support they have given throughout a season is actually a waste of time. When points get deducted, it always seems to result in relegation. a 12 point deduction, for example, equates to about 25% deduction of an average team's tally over a season. The results can be catastrophic and it effectively exacerbates a problem that already exists. I cannot understand why the supporters should find the problems faced by their clubs compounded especially when the FA or FL is supposedly vetting those people buying the clubs. The consequence of points deductions can take a decade to rectify or even lead to the expulsion of "traditional" club from the league.
In my opinion the deduction of points is not the answer. The authorities need to firstly ensure that the procedures for ownership of football clubs are tightened so that there is less chance of Wigan-type scenarios happening. If there are still failings or irregularities, the penalties need to be directed towards those owning the clubs whereby they are forced to perhaps enter in to a bond arrangement with the leagues where they are penalized if there are regularities. However, the main thrust needs to be to ensure that the "fit and proper" ownership test is tightened with greater powers put in place to make it legally impossible for clubs to fall in to the hands of owners who have the potential to put a club at risk. I would like to see foreign ownership looked at more vigorously.
The other point I would like to make stems from reading an article about Coventry City over the weekend. I would like to see an end to clubs making arrangements whereby they are able to set the stadia to finance the club. In my opinion the club and the ground should not be separated and I would like to see arrangements whereby either the club or the local council own the ground. Either way, ownership of stadia should remain with the community and not used as an asset which can be hawked around.
Sheffield Wednesday were last relegated in 2000 I think so that'd be the two Yorkshire clubs. 3 Midlands more recent with Villa Wolves and WBA in the early 2010's.
I messaged him privately and there's no problem.
I don't know what year it was but I remember wba thumping Wolves 5-1 at Molyneux at a time when Villa would have been about too.
Quite mad that next season will be the first one that begins this century with two Yorkshire clubs mind.
Let's see if someone comes back with an answer.
Tongue in cheek Billy, no offense intended should have used blue. By the way it isn't grim up Norf.
I seem to remember when Saints were first promoted to the First Division in 1966 they played not only Leeds but both Sheffield clubs . I believe Wednesday went down a year or 2 later and United the year after that, the same year Leeds win the league.
I have said this before but I think that the deduction of points for financial irregularities or where teams go into administration is not the correct solution. The situation in the Championship with Wigan, Derby and Birmingham all potentially being penalized is making a mockery of the sport
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I still think what happened to us in 2009 is the worst example of how the rule is implemented. We were in massive financial difficulty, but we were not trying to spend money we didn't have to buy our way out of the league. Its still debatable by the letter of the law that we were owed the deduction, as it was our parent company that entered administration & their rules clearly did not account for that anomaly. But that is not the part that irks me the most. Its how they let us collapse into 24 hours from extinction with no support, and then when a genuine buyer was found, who could safe guard the future of the club, they bullied him into accepting the points deduction or wouldn't let the sale progress. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from a body designed for the safeguarding of the game. I'll never trust or forgive the system for that. Its still feels very raw.
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I still think what happened to us in 2009 is the worst example of how the rule is implemented. We were in massive financial difficulty, but we were not trying to spend money we didn't have to buy our way out of the league. Its still debatable by the letter of the law that we were owed the deduction, as it was our parent company that entered administration & their rules clearly did not account for that anomaly. But that is not the part that irks me the most. Its how they let us collapse into 24 hours from extinction with no support, and then when a genuine buyer was found, who could safe guard the future of the club, they bullied him into accepting the points deduction or wouldn't let the sale progress. Absolutely disgusting behaviour from a body designed for the safeguarding of the game. I'll never trust or forgive the system for that. Its still feels very raw.
A few seasons before that Huddersfield and Sheffield United were relegated from the old first division to be replaced by Leeds and Sheffield Wednesday!!!!
I’m surprised there haven’t been any cases against the FAPP test. A new owner coming in could challenge the EFL on the Wigan debacle, surely.
