Off Topic OLOF's political thread

[Irishshako]

Defacing, destroying or removing items created by previous civilisations, occupiers, oppressors or opponents isn't new and has been going on ever since man could create objects to represent themselves. What is new now is that one portion of our society would really like to be included as equals and feels that symbols of past injustice and persecution would be better removed. In a similar way it's like living in Japan and having generals who ran the prisoner of war camps standing high above you or living in Germany and seeing statues of Hitler or Goebells. Bringing it closer to home we have a nice statue of Queen Victoria in Sydney. The Irish didn't want it, I wonder why, just part of their History i'n it?

Having said that I'm not sure where it will end as whenever you look at the foundations of the UK you sort of see how their wealth was gained, so it could be a long process.

Specifically on the Qatar WC, they should never have been awarded it.

But did the Irish riot and loot and try to tear it down. Just wondering.

 

[davy]

Blimey the right wingers were out for one day causing grief and there's more said about them than the feckers rioting for 3 weeks

Quiet Shako or some people will think you're political.

 

[Irishshako]

Quiet Shako or some people will think you're political.

Just throwing my tuppence worth in

 

[davy]

Just throwing my tuppence worth in

But did you throw it from the left wing or the right wing?

 

[Irishshako]

But did you throw it from the left wing or the right wing?

Naughty

 

[Gessa]

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle

But did you throw it from the left wing or the right wing?

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle.
With a slight tendency to favour the right at times.

 

[Irishshako]

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle.
With a slight tendency to favour the right at times.

 

[davy]

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle

I'd say Shacko hoofs it down the middle.
With a slight tendency to favour the right at times.

You'd say it twice to be sure to be sure.

More Lorimer than Gray then you think?

 

[Gessa]

You'd say it twice to be sure to be sure.

More Lorimer than Gray then you think?

I know he's hard of hearing.
Just to be sure to be sure.

Definitely, there's no Gray area with Shacks

 

[davy]

I know he's hard of hearing.
Just to be sure to be sure.

Definitely, there's no Gray area with Shacks

 

[Irishshako]

You'd say it twice to be sure to be sure.

More Lorimer than Gray then you think?

More Brolin at the minute

 

[Eric Le Merde]

But did the Irish riot and loot and try to tear it down. Just wondering.

Not that one, but the one of Nelson on his pillar, well that was explosive.

 

[Irishshako]

Not that one, but the one of Nelson on his pillar, well that was explosive.

Good one, wanton vandalism, but still no rioting or looting.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

Good one, wanton vandalism, but still no rioting or looting.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong just that defacing, attacking monuments of past or present regimes isn't a new thing.

http://www.ggy.bris.ac.uk/personal/YvonneWhelan/HistoricalGeographyArtice.pdf

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[milkyboy]

I know he's hard of hearing.
Just to be sure to be sure.

Definitely, there's no Gray area with Shacks

he has no shades of grey when discussing black and white

 

[Irishshako]

I'm not saying it's right or wrong just that defacing, attacking monuments of past or present regimes isn't a new thing.

http://www.ggy.bris.ac.uk/personal/YvonneWhelan/HistoricalGeographyArtice.pdf

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I know it's happened in the past, but these riots are just militants using race as a red herring to act the bollocks.

 

[Irishshako]

he has no shades of grey when discussing black and white

I've 50 of them

 

[Irishshako]

Right fellows I'm off to bed. I'm 6 days off the beer, today was the hardest so far.

 

[Eric Le Merde]

I know it's happened in the past, but these riots are just militants using race as a red herring to act the bollocks.

I agree there could be agitators who are stirring up trouble for their own benefit. These could be from either side but I have to say some of these statues would offend me if the boot was on the other foot. However being white and privileged It is difficult to understand the full extent of the offence these effigies cause.

 

[Irishshako]

I agree there could be agitators who are stirring up trouble for their own benefit. These could be from either side but I have to say some of these statues would offend me if the boot was on the other foot. However being white and privileged It is difficult to understand the full extent of the offence these effigies cause.

Most of them wouldn't even have known about these statues without the militants stirring it. Why wait now. People are too easily offended nowadays. These statues were put up for what they had done for the country or towns not for what they'd done in the past. IMO it's part of History and if people want things taken down, well go the democracy route and discuss and vote.