Fair response, where as I might not agree with you on everything, at least you’re consistent and don’t have double standards. Respect to you fella.
That’s the thing though Wills.....I can only stay true to my own beliefs....At least I can say that. Not everyone will agree with what I say but it ain’t gonna change my beliefs Respect to you too mate....I enjoy a debate with you
I see your plan Staines. Get the protesters arrested for knocking down statues. Get the anti-protesters jailed for their disgusting racism. Be the last man standing and live like a king, while also having some quieter shifts To your earlier point - I'm pleased that there has definitely been progress since the 70s, which is great. No denying that here. Just a long way to go still.
The problem is, these idiots are just reacting to seeing the mob attack the OB over the weekend. And so it goes on...
You got me mate....my cunning plan has been revealed. I shall be crowned ‘El Presidente’ when all this **** is over and you’ll all kneel to my rule . Absolutely a long way to go, but I honestly feel we are getting there. The dark days of the 70’s were truly awful at times, racism, discontent and violence were the norm.....it just can’t go completely the other way, ‘cos that’s only gonna cause even more divide between the communities (that word again). I wish I had the answers (well I have some) but might not have everyone agreeing
Not an excuse for that **** though Goldie (Not saying you’re excusing it of course) They are quite simply ****s
what by showing them how not racist they are with monkey chants and Nazi salutes??? Na doesn’t cut it sorry. oh now videos of a couple of black lads getting attacked by a large bunch of Cov fans yesterday all over social media. When the old bill turned up the supporters claimed they had knives. None were found. If you’ve seen it read the comments, a lot from cov fans, it’s very telling.
But to counter that Wills, there are plenty of videos going about of attacks by Blacks on innocent Whites.......it’s just becoming a clusterfuck of hatred.....no side is righteous, no side is innocent
Yeah I’d agree with that, both unlawful and as you said both should be identified and prosecuted accordingly
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It's all tit for tat. For the right wing racists, they saw the thugs over the weekend throwing bottles and bicycles, damaging property, injuring 29 of the OB and their answer is to hurt them as much as they can by language and making signs. Of course there's no excuse for it. There's no excuse for violence either. They're both as bad as each other in my book.
Yes and no.....if your gonna play the politically violent game then yeah, if you get hurt then that’s up to you. But for a black person holding up a bit of cardboard to be called a ‘black ****’ and n*****’ by scum like that, you’d be hard pressed to say both are as bad as each other. Wouldn’t you ?
It's an interesting question, Stainsey. If I take your point that names and gestures are worse, at what point does violence become worse than that? If you break someone's nose? If you break someone's back? If you cripple or blind someone?. If you kill someone...? At what point does violence become worse than gestures and name calling?
Yes agree with this. At least Goldie is acknowledging and condemning the violence and hate, not all who will have been putting stuff all over Facebook and other platforms about the violence and damage caused by those attaching themselves to the BLM protest will, their silence is ever so telling.
I’ve never had a problem with violence against people who want to use violence against me (as loveable as I am that really had happened) however, not everyone wants that violence (though of course some do and revel in it). They are the ones who don’t deserve it. Sorry for rushed answer...Just getting ready to leave for work so will try to look in later
Completely understand your rush to work. I think we can ignore two people knocking eight bells out of each other when it's consensual. I'm talking about the 29 uniformed people injured last weekend while doing their jobs. If we spoke to the female officer seriously injured coming off the horse, I expect she'd sooner have been called names and gone home safely
Mate, I think my position on that has been made absolutely clear......I hate the ****s who did that with all my heart and worry for my lad every night he is out on patrol. However calling a black person just holding a placard a ‘n*****’, doesn’t do their cause any favours.
never seen it all the way through but removing it seems a bit silly HBO Max Removes Civil War Epic 'Gone With the Wind' 8:17 PM PDT 6/9/2020 by Abid Rahman FACEBOOK TWITTER EMAIL ME please log in to view this image MGM/Photofest 'Gone With The Wind' The 1939 film has long been considered controversial for its depiction of Black people and its positive view of slavery. Gone With the Wind, the Civil War epic considered a classic of American cinema, has been temporarily pulled from HBO Max. The move comes as media companies reappraise content in light of nationwide protests over police brutality and systemic racism after the death of George Floyd, a Black man killed by Minnesota police. Earlier on Tuesday, Paramount Network cancelled the long-running police reality show Cops. Long considered controversial for its depiction of Black people and its positive view of slavery, Gone With the Wind faced renewed scrutiny after an op-ed by 12 Years A Slave screenwriter John Ridley published in the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday. In the op-ed, Ridley called on HBO Max to "consider removing" Gone With the Wind from its platform as the film had its "own unique problem." "It doesn’t just “fall short” with regard to representation. It is a film that glorifies the antebellum south. It is a film that, when it is not ignoring the horrors of slavery, pauses only to perpetuate some of the most painful stereotypes of people of color," Ridley wrote. He added: "It is a film that, as part of the narrative of the “Lost Cause,” romanticizes the Confederacy in a way that continues to give legitimacy to the notion that the secessionist movement was something more, or better, or more noble than what it was — a bloody insurrection to maintain the “right” to own, sell and buy human beings." HBO Max said Gone With the Wind will eventually return to the service with a "discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions" of Black people and slavery. In a statement to The Hollywood Reporter, a HBO spokesperson said: “Gone With The Wind is a product of its time and depicts some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that have, unfortunately, been commonplace in American society. These racist depictions were wrong then and are wrong today, and we felt that to keep this title up without an explanation and a denouncement of those depictions would be irresponsible. These depictions are certainly counter to WarnerMedia’s values, so when we return the film to HBO Max, it will return with a discussion of its historical context and a denouncement of those very depictions, but will be presented as it was originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed. If we are to create a more just, equitable and inclusive future, we must first acknowledge and understand our history.” Released in 1939, the 4-hour long Gone With the Wind told the love story of southern aristocrats Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler and starred Vivien Leigh, Clark Gable, Hattie McDaniel and Olivia de Havilland. The film, based on the 1936 best-selling book by Margaret Mitchell, takes place in the American South, on a plantation outside Atlanta in the aftermath of the Civil War. Both the book and film feature Black characters who are former slaves who seem content and loyal to their former owners even after the abolition of slavery in the South. Directed by Victor Fleming it would go on to become one of the highest grossing films in history and win eight Oscars at the 12th Academy Awards, including Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress for McDaniel for her portrayal of Mammy, a house servant on the Tara plantation. The Oscar for McDaniel made her the first Black person to win the award but due to racial segregation at the ceremony she sat separately from her Gone With the Wind co-stars, sitting at a table at the back of the room.
