I listened to some bod on the radio who said if you take underling health problems/BAME/obease/diabetes out of the equation you would get about 1-2%. I don't know how true that is though.
1000's protesting in parliament square today despite being urged not to. Second spike coming but our answer isn't to tighten up it's to ease more and more and more.
I think I might have heard the same or similar guy. He said if you took everyone out of the equation you would get about 0% If only society didnt have fat, old, diabetic, or black and ethnic minority people then this pandemic wouldnt be a problem!
I’d fine it a bit bizarre if any professional was calculating a figure based only on otherwise healthy white people.
Staines - in answer to your question, I put the gloves on as I queued to get in the Supermarket and took then off and put in pockets before I got into my car. At the care home, whenever staff were working with kids doing personal care, it was good practice for staff to always wear two pairs of gloves. One for when they were doing the personal care, then they could remove and dispose of and then they could open doors etc with uncontaminated gloves. However it didn't matter how many times you trained or passed info on, it wasn't always followed.
And your last sentence is the issue. It takes tremendous discipline, which is based on a real understanding, to use PPE effectively. Health care professionals do it out of habit. The rest of us need proper training and information. And what I fear is that many (obviously not you Ninj, you are a proper safety professional from what I understand) will never understand or be disciplined enough, but will get a totally false sense of security from wearing a mask or gloves wrongly. The number of people I see wearing a mask on the street (or in their cars!), fiddling with them constantly etc etc makes me think that it’s a complete waste of time.
But mate, and honestly not having a pop at you (I really mean that sincerely) but isn’t it kind of pointless taking them off and putting them in your pocket (I’m assuming to be used again). If you’ve got the virus/germs in your gloves you’ll just pass it in when you reuse them If I’ve got it wrong and you were gonna wash them (if not disposable) or throw them away (if disposable) then fair play. In the double glove thing....totally correct. That is now common practice for us as well in Ambulatory care.
You’ve done it again G...like x 1000 We are always taught to break the ‘chain of infection’.......it’s drilled into us early on and as you say it quickly becomes second nature.
I find it incredible that the UK is not under a strictly enforced lockdown with mask wearing outside home enforced, body temperatures checked before entering shops, hand gels everywhere in the shops that need to be open at all, with as I understand the UK figures, hundreds still dying every day and upwards of 1500 still getting infected every day. Yet what restrictions were in place are being relaxed, and enforcement seems minimal. Seems the same story of coming out of "lockdown" if it ever was really that, in much of W.Europe, way too quickly.
they can blame the 60s and 70s governments for that they brought in lots of islanders to work in factorys etc and they are big people dan carter was classed as obese during his playing days so the bmi index dosent tell you everything
How many of us can get enough gloves to use correctly. In our lab, we double gloved and threw away the top glove after every proceedure. Getting through half a box a day, probably more. That is a lot of money . I do not wear a mask when shopping (as when I go I am feeling well) but I do wear a pair of surgical gloves ontop of a pair of silk gloves (left over from work). The surgical gloves go in a plastic bag before getting in the car...and are only used on one trip round Tescos. I am hoping my one box of surgical gloves gets me through the pandemic. Very soon we will all be forced to wear a mask...and as Stan said, nonsurgical face coverings get wet....and then are even better "conductors" of bugs and virus. Again not joined up thinking from the beloved leaders I will wear a scarf (probably a QPR one) and wash after each journey. But there again, I am just keeping out of trouble not because I think it will do anything
I've read so many places Beth that you can have the virus, be symptom free, but still be able to spread the virus when you go shopping. But that you are less likely to spread it when wearing a decent mask, dry of course! It is absolutely no problem wearing one to do your necessary weekly lockdown shopping jaunt, as long as it's the right fit.
We are now beyond the stage of even pretending science has got anything to do with these decisions. I would like the government to just speak plainly. “It is very unlikely that we can sustain a decent level of lockdown for the length of time needed to fully control the virus, and even if we could we will cripple to economy (in other words we will ruin blameless people’s lives, probably for years) even more. So we are going to take some risks, which will mean, undoubtedly, that more people will die. We are in this position because we made the wrong decisions, and acted too slowly, back in February and March. Our best hope is for better treatments and ultimately a vaccine. Sorry.” No hope of this, of course. Though I notice the Swedish government, and in particular Anders Tegnell, architect of their strategy, has had the balls to say they got it wrong, and they should have had a harder approach. Of course their death rate is much better than ours, and the damage to their economy is also less because they didn’t shut down. If Johnson and his merry band of cretins had achieved the same we would never hear the end of their world beating approach.
Why would you want to do that? What about diabetes or being black? Very silly post even by your standards Ellers my old mucker
You are absolutely correct Oslo . None of us truly know if we are carrying the virus or not. You have just given me the perfect reposte to why I should wear a mask....better than old Matt the Handcock. Unfortunately my QPR 1982 Cup final scarf is a much better fit round my neck than over my nose
Only silly for people that don't understand things. It makes perfect sense to me and many of the scientists that are saying ghd same. As for diabetes part of your post?
