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[FosseFilberto]

I’m very confident the truth will see off Keir at the next election

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If ever proof was needed of just how rattled Starmer has the Tories already ... having to make up this desperate stuff ... they'll be claiming he left his cancer diagnosed wife for a bit of fluff next

 

[Welshie]

In which case we agree that no other party will influence brexit at this time. The Tories own it.

I'm also not convinced Starmer is as centrist as many assume, although he looks the part.

Not sure any recent election has overturned a majority of 80 and it will be even harder once the seats are dropped to 600. So we agree that it takes a monumental screw up for the Tories to lose power, although so far the evidence is they are up to this task.

What Keir needs to avoid is the new wave inner city politics that got Jeremy all twisted. The death of Labour was getting into bed with momentum, their politics are cancer.

Because the Party and the unions are so disconnected from reality, they couldn't see what a laughable joke the new-wave feminist style Party they had become was. I called their defeat months before on our board, it was obvious they'd get battered.

If Keir can do some radical things like: being patriotic, sounding confident and authoritive, proposing something people actually care about, appealing to people outside London he might actually win. I know right, radical.

 

[aberdude]

Yeah like Brexit and the last election.

Chin up. You’ll win one eventually. Maybe

I think history tells us that society in England rejects equality so yeah the tory party will carry on fking over the old the disabled and people with mental health problems 2 name just a few of the many they see as a drain on the system.

Let me fly the union Jack and thank the rich for the scraps they left us have...... The platform

 

[Welshie]

Well Stan said after the Brexit vote that the Conservatives wouldn’t get in for a generation. Labour need to bin off all the hard left fruitcakes or they might as well fold that party. The working class up here have nothing in common with that scummy lot anymore.

Ye, but most people who voted remain were delusional idiots at that time. This election has really woken them up, they got dunked head first into a cold bucket of water.

 

[aberdude]

Well Stan said after the Brexit vote that the Conservatives wouldn’t get in for a generation. Labour need to bin off all the hard left fruitcakes or they might as well fold that party. The working class up here have nothing in common with that scummy lot anymore.

Don't tell me they have more in common with the Eton brigade.....

 

[Saf]

If ever proof was needed of just how rattled Starmer has the Tories already ... having to make up this desperate stuff ... they'll be claiming he left his cancer diagnosed wife for a bit of fluff next

Corbyn never had the Tories rattled. We just enjoy exposing people for what they’re.

When the propaganda machine goes into overdrive and people are being looked in the eyes and asked if they can vote for this man who defends kiddy abusers when they have kids of their own, it’s going to hit way to many consciences at the ballot box.

Trust me

 

[aberdude]

Ye, but most people who voted remain were delusional idiots at that time. This election has really waken them up, they got dunked head first into a cold bucket of water.

It does take you by surprise how many selfish ****s live in England tbh

 

[FosseFilberto]

Yeah like Brexit and the last election.

Chin up. You’ll win one eventually. Maybe

Parties that I will vote for are unlikely to win ... I have never voted Labour ... but these Tories are a self-serving incompetent plague and the country seems to be waking up to that on the back of the shambolic handling of the pandemic and the dishonesty and arrogance of their chief adviser

 

[Welshie]

It does take you by surprise how many selfish ****s live in England tbh

Obvious bait is obvious

Well done Aber

 

[Saf]

Don't tell me they have more in common with the Eton brigade.....

I’m working class and I have nothing in common with Labour and Momentum. They just don’t represent the working classes, it’s a myth.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Lest we forget ... the benefits of friends in high places ...

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[Looney Leftie]

What Keir needs to avoid is the new wave inner city politics that got Jeremy all twisted. The death of Labour was getting into bed with momentum, their politics are cancer.

Because the Party and the unions are so disconnected from reality, they couldn't see what a laughable joke the new-wave feminist style Party they had become was. I called their defeat months before on our board, it was obvious they'd get battered.

If Keir can do some radical things like: being patriotic, sounding confident and authoritive, proposing something people actually care about, appealing to people outside London he might actually win. I know right, radical.

Stuff being patriotic,
That's just another way of saying bullshit to big up your country. Often it's what gets us into a mess in the first place.

I don't think it was momentum that hurt the labour party, it was sticking with the dregs of the militant tendancy. McCluskey, Livingstone etc.
Momentum was born out of the young vote they attracted in 2017, much of it has gone now.

 

[aberdude]

I’m working class and I have nothing in common with Labour and Momentum. They just don’t represent the working classes, it’s a myth.

In what way do they not represent you dude.

 

[Looney Leftie]

Parties that I will vote for are unlikely to win ... I have never voted Labour ... but these Tories are a self-serving incompetent plague and the country seems to be waking up to that on the back of the shambolic handling of the pandemic and the dishonesty and arrogance of their chief adviser

Couldn't have written that better myself. I also have never voted Labour and it would take more than I've seen so far too change my mind.

 

[FosseFilberto]

Corbyn never had the Tories rattled. We just enjoy exposing people for what they’re.

When the propaganda machine goes into overdrive and people are being looked in the eyes and asked if they can vote for this man who defends kiddy abusers when they have kids of their own, it’s going to hit way to many consciences at the ballot box.

Trust me

Starmer never defended Saville and wasn't involved in the Worboys' case ... apart from that ... you are still wrong.

 

[Welshie]

Stuff being patriotic,
That's just another way of saying bullshit to big up your country. Often it's what gets us into a mess in the first place.

I don't think it was momentum that hurt the labour party, it was sticking with the dregs of the militant tendancy. McCluskey, Livingstone etc.
Momentum was born out of the young vote they attracted in 2017, much of it has gone now.

That's wrong. They killed and raped its corpse.

I dunno what young people momentum attract, but they seem to be red hot and mostly in their 30s. They were awful, like not as bad as Antifa, but certainly on that level.

 

[aberdude]

Stuff being patriotic,
That's just another way of saying bullshit to big up your country. Often it's what gets us into a mess in the first place.

I don't think it was momentum that hurt the labour party, it was sticking with the dregs of the militant tendancy. McCluskey, Livingstone etc.
Momentum was born out of the young vote they attracted in 2017, much of it has gone now.

Momentum is only there to ruin the party from the inside out...... Turning a two party state into a one party dictatorship like communist countries. Makes me wonder why we fought the Germans when most of the country was obviously in agreement with his ideological theory on white supremacy

 

[Welshie]

Momentum is only there to ruin the party from the inside out...... Turning a two party state into a one party dictatorship like communist countries. Makes me wonder why we fought the Germans when most of the country was obviously in agreement with his ideological theory on white supremacy

You think Nazi policy was designed around "white supremacy?"

I think all those white jews and slavs he slaughtered would probably have something different to say. Not to mention sending military advisors to both China and Japan.

 

[Looney Leftie]

That's wrong. They killed and raped its corpse.

I dunno what young people momentum attract, but they seem to be red hot and mostly in their 30s. They were awful, like not as bad as Antifa, but certainly on that level.

They attract young idealists. It's normal for younger people to be more socialist. As we get older we have more to lose and so get more conservative.

It's been that way for quite a while.

I disagree with you, the Corbinites are the rabid headcases, momentum had already been distancing themselves before Corbyn stood down.

I find it amusing that working class people think the Tories represent them. They don't, you are just a tool for power.

 

[Welshie]

They attract young idealists. It's normal for younger people to be more socialist. As we get older we have more to lose and so get more conservative.

It's been that way for quite a while.

I disagree with you, the Corbinites are the rabid headcases, momentum had already been distancing themselves before Corbyn stood down.

I find it amusing that working class people think the Tories represent them. They don't, you are just a tool for power.

Well I'm not, I've never voted Tory.

We won't agree on momentum, so let's just leave it.