Irelands are and have reported care home deaths from very early on unlike many countries. We also have had contact tracing from the start on the advice of the Italians. Its not perfect but a huge help
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It's called management of the situation, we may never get a cure, and limiting the spread until herd immunity, of course that does cause a big problem for you guys, open up to other countries and the virus, or lock down potentially for ever.
Some countries don't bother testing, so don't put down deaths as covid.
I won’t be sitting on a plane for at least 18 months anyway. Worked too hard to stay safe so far and not gonna jeopardise it now
In a rather bizzare incident coming from Meerut Medical College in Uttar Pradesh; it has been reported that monkeys stole 3 samples collected from suspected cases of COVID-19 that was being carried by a lab technician for testing in the laboratory. Fears are rife among locals of possible spread of the virus due to the monkeys having stolen the said samples.
“a troop of monkeys attacked a lab technician who was carrying samples of suspected Covid-19 patients for testing and ran away after snatching three samples” said a Indiatoday report.
The incident occurred inside the premises of the Meerut Medical College. While doctors have again collected samples from the three patients, there is fear in the area as the suspected samples of Covid-19 patients are still with the monkeys.
A video of the entire incident has gone viral. In the viral video, one of the monkeys could be seen sitting on a tree and chewing the sample collection kit.
“a troop of monkeys attacked a lab technician who was carrying samples of suspected Covid-19 patients for testing and ran away after snatching three samples” said a Indiatoday report.
The incident occurred inside the premises of the Meerut Medical College. While doctors have again collected samples from the three patients, there is fear in the area as the suspected samples of Covid-19 patients are still with the monkeys.
A video of the entire incident has gone viral. In the viral video, one of the monkeys could be seen sitting on a tree and chewing the sample collection kit.
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Bit harsh to shoot the lab tech!
Maybe, but he won't do it again.
John Wayne did! Didn't hear you complaining then!
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@Whitejock a genuine non wind up question. I was just reading that more than half the Covid 19 deaths in both Scotland and Ireland were in care homes. Why is it that only Boris gets the blame?
Yes over half here were in care homes and I can assure you the serious questions are being asked from government to health authorities. Care homes appealed for help several times from February when they saw awful problems on the horizon. However they were basically ignored for six weeks and then it was too late. Nobody will come out of this with glowing references or deserve any defending for what they did to some of the most vulnerable who they were meant to be keeping safe
Are we talking state run or private or both? Thing is, there was a world shortage of ppe and when it comes to privately run is it not whoever owns the care home to be answerable?
I’ve said before about the care home I was delivering to in Brighton, it was a week before the lockdown, they were locking down from 5pm on the day I arrived, a week before Mother’s Day. No visits from anyone not even family members. Any gifts or items arriving would be sanitised first and not given to the resident for a few days.
If anyone catches Covid in that care home it will be either a visiting nurse or a worker or a resident going to hospital and returning with it. In each circumstance is it fair to blame the government or is it easy finger pointing? Are care homes not an area that would naturally be hit hardest?
I deliver to between 50 and 70 high risk patients three days a week so around 200 every week to their own home. Two people caught Covid, luckily they recovered, both had Non Covid hospital visits, one also had carers popping in. Care homes are not going to accept liability, of course they’ll blame the government.
I think Boris has got a lot right and wrong but it’s hindsight. I’m sure I saw a figure that this time last year we had 60,000 more cancer diagnoses, I’d hate to have to balance this all out.
Honestly this isn’t an I Love Boris post but I’ve been into dozens of care homes, sometimes for the pharmacy and often through my man van job and at least 50% are filthy, smelly and the carers don’t deserve to be given the description of carer. I’ve been into some outstanding ones too, don’t get me wrong but it’s an eye opener when you look at each end of the scale.
I’ve been following a story unfolding on a FB friend/neighbour of mine, his wife caught Covid, mis diagnosed by the hospital, sent home in a taxi, back in an ambulance 12 hours later. The amount of NHS staff at senior level not following guidelines was alarming including a doctor coughing and not covering their mouth and nurses ignoring hand cleaning routine.
The NHS frontline are doing a great job but there are lapses that the government can’t be held responsible for. Jeremy Vine had a caller in a few days ago. His wife is a nurse, he is a supplier of PPE he has a factory full, his wife took some in for herself and colleagues, he tried to supply the hospital direct but the procurement process meant he couldn’t, his wife was full of blame for the hospital management team
I’m talking both. Privately owned hadn’t the resources for an epidemic any more than governments had for their hospitals initially. Regardless of where an oap is homed they deserve the same care as any other citizen. Most of them have paid small fortunes in taxes all their lives only to be thrown on a scrapheap when they can’t contribute any more. I’ll certainly not defend any politician in any jurisdiction as they have all contributed to mass genicide
I’m not denying they don’t deserve the same care but when someone is paying £1000s a month to live in a private care home I just can’t see where it is the governments fault If that care home allows Covid 19 to spread through it.
My father caught gangrene in hospital and died several years ago, it was the lack of care and awareness by the nurses and even then the lack of cleanliness and procedures (as he also caught MRSA) that killed him.
What should the government have done for these private care homes then?
Of course it’s the governments fault. Ours were able to put proper provisions in place when forced to. Stop making excuses for useless inept politicians. That’s what they all are
Government (and in some part previous governments) at blame for:
1. no planning, no ventilators no PPE
2. when it kicked off, no urgency to correct point 1. And incompetency in delivering it.
3. Misjudging impact and dallying with herd strategy before lockdown, killing how many extra?
If they hadn’t opened Pandora’s box, people in the care industry wouldn’t have had a **** storm to deal with that they had no guidance or preparation on.
With that as backdrop... some care homes are undoubted inadequately run and will have been inadequately managed during the crisis.
But with a lack of protective equipment and lack of clear guidance for some time early in the crisis, is it any wonder when you have vulnerable high risk groups that need close attention that infections are going to occur and spread.
1. no planning, no ventilators no PPE
2. when it kicked off, no urgency to correct point 1. And incompetency in delivering it.
3. Misjudging impact and dallying with herd strategy before lockdown, killing how many extra?
If they hadn’t opened Pandora’s box, people in the care industry wouldn’t have had a **** storm to deal with that they had no guidance or preparation on.
With that as backdrop... some care homes are undoubted inadequately run and will have been inadequately managed during the crisis.
But with a lack of protective equipment and lack of clear guidance for some time early in the crisis, is it any wonder when you have vulnerable high risk groups that need close attention that infections are going to occur and spread.