Furlough will be a success if the jobs it is designed to protect still exist in a few months. Too soon to judge.
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If I had symptoms and had been in close contact (less than 2 metres) with someone that I knew for 15 minutes then I'd just tell them.
Unless, that is, I stopped speaking to my wife who is the only one that applies to (and is likely to for the foreseeable).
It does sound like something they've lifted from a pamphlet in a VD clinic though which will be good for indiscreet former scientific advisors.
Unless, that is, I stopped speaking to my wife who is the only one that applies to (and is likely to for the foreseeable).
It does sound like something they've lifted from a pamphlet in a VD clinic though which will be good for indiscreet former scientific advisors.
Furlough has been mostly good.
I think it still incurs Employers NI which means that companies have to pay out a bit for non-workers which is a bit of a financial slap.
I think it still incurs Employers NI which means that companies have to pay out a bit for non-workers which is a bit of a financial slap.
It's interesting just heard from a mate who was on furlough for 7 weeks and went back to work this week, he's the golf pro at our local golf club, but he's back on furlough from next week following a bit of breakdown, said the circumstances were too much and pushed the anxiety button big time. I guess this might get replicated in many workplaces and shows the road back for some won't be that straightforward.
Nightingale (they would have been damned if they hadn't Ellers, I will fully admit), but they are thanking their gods that it was never put under pressure. Go to that time in early April and you will find that one of the pressures on the NHS was the lack of staff due to CoVid/self isolation through contact. At the time the Nightingale was opened they did not have the staff and the PPE to run it. It was lucky it dealt with less than 100 patients...otherwise it would have become a place people were sent to die.
Furlough good, if industry retain the jobs and start up again. Still to be seen
Lockdown 2 or 3 weeks too late....and coming out too early, but since the government has lost control. And we have never closed our borders, and so it was never total lockdown either
The world beating...comment is not aimed at you Ellers, you never said it.
It is an on going joke about Boris and Matt Hancock who have both said we will have a "world-beating" test and a "world beating" app.
Nothing we have done comes into the world-beating realm on the good side.
Car crash of a daily press conference for Johnson, even with his top science blokes next to him. Journalists now hunting in packs, even hairy Peston backing up Keunssberg. Johnson cutting off questions to the advisors, they refusing to answer ‘political’ questions, large buses being driven through the new rules, they have lost any kind of vestigial respect they might have had. The evidence of my eyes over the last few weeks tells me that people have been gathering in non socially distanced groups of more than six in public places for some time, since VE Day at least.
What Johnson and his mob obviously don’t realise about this Cummings fiasco is that it has made a fundamental change to attitude. Until this selfish idiot at least we had a sense of ‘we/us’ as in ‘we’re all in this together’,no matter how irritating things were. Now it’s obvious that we aren’t in it together, it’s them telling us what to do but doing whatever they want because they apparently have better decision making apparatus than anyone not in or advising government.
What Johnson and his mob obviously don’t realise about this Cummings fiasco is that it has made a fundamental change to attitude. Until this selfish idiot at least we had a sense of ‘we/us’ as in ‘we’re all in this together’,no matter how irritating things were. Now it’s obvious that we aren’t in it together, it’s them telling us what to do but doing whatever they want because they apparently have better decision making apparatus than anyone not in or advising government.
I think the larger social gatherings have been going on for longer than that but VE Day was probably a watershed in that exceptional weather and the rumours of an easing persuaded many to jump the gun and not look back. Many of my neighbours Don't give a shyte and local parks have been bursting recently. Many furloughed families now in full summer holiday mode so I honestly don't think the Cummings sh*tstorm makes much difference in London, perhaps out in your neck of the woods it will. Time will tell if it's significant...
Got to agree with this, as soon as the first whiffs of easing appeared people started doing as they will. The government can take a hefty dose of the blame for this though for encouraging VE Day celebrations, allowing people to go to beaches and for the confusing messaging of the last couple of weeks.
I don't thing the Cummings thing has necessarily changed people's behaviour but has consolidated it and totally undermined any sense of control the government thinks it had.
Thing that frustrates me is there is never any acknowledgment of the way people are acrually behaving e.g. 1000's cramming onto beaches. All we get is our daily pat on the head for being such a good well behaved nation. They must know what's been happening and they apparently they have experts in behavioural sciences but they don't seem to understand the public at all. One look at the beach scenes over the bank holiday should have been enough to make them put the brakes on further easing and take stock but no they just plough on.
Well, it’s made a change to my attitude. I was prepared, reluctantly, to go along with stuff, even stuff I had increasing doubts about, for the sake of solidarity and because I have no points to prove in disregarding government advice. For me the last few days have exposed the amateur hour of cronyism that we are subject to, what was unravelling pretty fast is now In a state of collapse, only the deluded would trust this shower.
The Chinese leaders have said its true we have to believe leaders. You need to move on.
ITV News has uncovered plans to discharge at least 1,800 patients from hospital into care homes during the coronavirus pandemic.
The government has denied there was pressure to move people from hospital into care, after Care England recently blamed discharges for spreading the virus into nursing and residential homes.
But data obtained by ITV News shows how, at the outset of the pandemic, the NHS and councils block booked beds in care homes to ensure they were ready to deal with a surge in patients coming from hospital.
NHS clinical commissioning groups and councils in 17 regions of England replied to ITV News telling us that they had reserved a total of 1,800 beds in care homes, including 182 beds in Suffolk, 122 in the Wirral and 86 in Oxfordshire.
Until mid-April, patients were not routinely tested for coronavirus before being discharged into a home, with care managers having previously told ITV News that they believe that’s how the virus spread among their residents.
The government advice to hospitals prior to April 15 was "negative tests are not required prior to transfers/admissions into the care home."
ITV News has also discovered some homes are continuing to take Covid-19 positive patients, despite their concerns.
The government has denied there was pressure to move people from hospital into care, after Care England recently blamed discharges for spreading the virus into nursing and residential homes.
But data obtained by ITV News shows how, at the outset of the pandemic, the NHS and councils block booked beds in care homes to ensure they were ready to deal with a surge in patients coming from hospital.
NHS clinical commissioning groups and councils in 17 regions of England replied to ITV News telling us that they had reserved a total of 1,800 beds in care homes, including 182 beds in Suffolk, 122 in the Wirral and 86 in Oxfordshire.
Until mid-April, patients were not routinely tested for coronavirus before being discharged into a home, with care managers having previously told ITV News that they believe that’s how the virus spread among their residents.
The government advice to hospitals prior to April 15 was "negative tests are not required prior to transfers/admissions into the care home."
ITV News has also discovered some homes are continuing to take Covid-19 positive patients, despite their concerns.
On a very slight tangent, it is supposed to be the last Clap for carers tonights.
On a personal note, it has been good as it has brought neighbours together and talking to each other. I can understand why it could be better on an annual basis but I think until it is over we should carry on. My neighbourhood is quite elderly (I hasten to add that I am not in this age group), and it is good to see everyone communicating.
On a personal note, it has been good as it has brought neighbours together and talking to each other. I can understand why it could be better on an annual basis but I think until it is over we should carry on. My neighbourhood is quite elderly (I hasten to add that I am not in this age group), and it is good to see everyone communicating.
Looking forward to the beef between those who carry on smashing pans with wooden spoons and those who don’t.
Dont think anyone clapped on our street. I find it all a bit tedious and patronising. Would be better if everyone gave a quid each week towards a pay rise for them. Everyone except the Tories of course.
Correct me if I'm wrong but were there more deaths today as compared to the same day last week?