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sb_73 said:
Independent SAGE report here:
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Won’t be comfortable reading for official SAGE members. Point 3 of the executive summary on misrepresentation of statistics is especially damaging. These guys do have the benefit of hindsight and at least 2 of this group are, to my personal knowledge, deeply anti government. Still good to get a broader perspective.
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Interesting comments about country comparisons. Acknowledging the discrepancies of population densities and the population age etc. lessons of those who acted quickly could have been applied to those that delayed acting and what "lessons could have been learnt" (a much used phrase from our politicians) by the UK to reduce the spread and number of deaths.
 
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sb_73 said:
Independent SAGE report here:
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Won’t be comfortable reading for official SAGE members. Point 3 of the executive summary on misrepresentation of statistics is especially damaging. These guys do have the benefit of hindsight and at least 2 of this group are, to my personal knowledge, deeply anti government. Still good to get a broader perspective.
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Thanks for the link Sb.
Pro- or anti- government the overview recommendations are clear, concise and common sense. I agree hindsight does play a part when reading the 19 points but much is about what we all know needed to be done and done more effectively that could have saved lives and put us in a better place to handle the eventual transition from lockdown to opening up society more confidently and with a clear joined up plan.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
I'm assuming you've not seen any of her daily briefings then? I think she's more worried about saving the lives of her citizens than being bothered about not following Westminster for political point scoring or spite. The Scottish government have also chosen to follow "The Science" that you seem happy for BawJaws and co to follow down there, it's just we're a bit behind on the infection rate curve, so exiting lockdown isn't an option.

I've not heard a mention of independance from the SNP since this started, but the biggest boost she's had for IndyRef2 is the incompetance of Westminster, and the continual bullshit that gets fed from those lecturns come 5pm each day - best left for the politics thread though.
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Don’t watch the silly cow at the best of times, and you cannot convince me that she isn’t scoring political points, it’s all she does, she is in my opinion about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike !!
 
Tramore Ranger said:
Ok here's a quick question...….Transport Companies, City Mayors, Unions, Employers all knew that eventually some form of lifting would take place and people would start to use public transport again, they've had 2 months to put things in place to make transport compliant with social distancing measures......why didn't they do something instead of waiting for the Government to say go back to work...….I can't see that the Government is responsible for the Micro Management of every facet of life, surely others have responsibility to ensure smooth and safe travel...….

Tin hat time?
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Fair point. If we don't want to be misled about the merits of herd immunity, it really is time some people stopped behaving like a herd. Of sheep and actually used their own brains rather than waiting for Bojo the sheepdog to tell them where to go. Or not. He doesn't know. He relies on the science. But it seems there are conflicting whistles. People and employers should decide for themselves. Apparently it's our superior intelligence that differentiates us from other animals. You do have to wonder sometimes. Well actually all the time.

My clients have on the whole done precisely what they should. Thought about it as soon as furlough started- used the stoppage as an ideal opportunity to clean the place down, engage with their H&S consultants and union safety reps put markings and lines down on the floor for safe distancing, stagger working times enforce the 2 metre rule in car parks and so on. They started to reopen on a reduced capacity within a couple of weeks without any problems at all. They are not politicians but they have used their brains.

I advised on this first over 5 weeks ago with an employer that was ahead of the game and had already done much of what i suggested and a fair few things I hadn't even considered. If Bojo wants some advice or someone to go into the next press briefing with him, I'd be happy to do so. But then I don't suffer fools gladly. Some on here say they have noticed that about me from my previous posts.
 
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bobmid said:
I think they moved the goalposts to test capacity from tests to people regarding 100,000. I may be mistaken
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Every person who is tested and is positive should get another test at some point to check they are over it. Trouble is they release them back into the community or a care home regardless. I know from personal family experience that this is happening Everybody who gets a result that is inconclusive, a disturbingly high number, should be retested as well as the people they came into contact with, I don't believe that is happening unless that person has the wisdom to demand one.. I know from personal family experience that th e testing of contacts is is not happening. It has all the hallmarks of a Michael Frayn farce.
 
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Antibody study published in Spain, covering 70,000 people. Showed about 5% of adults have had the disease and 3% of kids. 26% of those with antibodies were asymptomatic.

https://english.elpais.com/society/...paniards-have-contracted-the-coronavirus.html

This is not good news, they have had a lot of deaths, a high death rate per million and it looks like relatively few Spaniards have actually had the virus. Similar results in France. Big variations from place to place but, if herd immunity works, they are a long way from achieving it. To achieve herd immunity would be at the cost of 200-300,000 deaths in Spain, probably 300-400,000 for the UK given our larger population.

Interesting that they have been able to do these tests though. We are still in the process of buying them from Roche.

Didn’t Hancock say they were going to start rolling out the magic app nationally by the middle of this month? All gone quiet on that. Does is not work? Or have too few of the inhabitants of the Isle of Wight downloaded it to test it properly? A couple of weeks ago I would have downloaded it when asked, but not now.
 
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Steelmonkey said:
That's pretty much our opinion on BawJaws and the **** show he's running down there.
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Opinions lol.
You say it’s a ****show, but nobody and I mean nobody will know who did it right or who did it wrong till the final tally up, be it in death rates, survival rates, economic loss and gains, mental health issues, suicides, hunger, Homelessness, further illness, a 2nd or even 3rd spike and last but not least if it ever goes away.
So until all these factors can be analysed, examined and worked out I repeat nobody will know the true cost. And wether Boris ran a ****show or not.
 
Turkish" Premier" Hoops said:
Opinions lol.
You say it’s a ****show, but nobody and I mean nobody will know who did it right or who did it wrong till the final tally up, be it in death rates, survival rates, economic loss and gains, mental health issues, suicides, hunger, Homelessness, further illness, a 2nd or even 3rd spike and last but not least if it ever goes away.
So until all these factors can be analysed, examined and worked out I repeat nobody will know the true cost. And wether Boris ran a ****show or not.
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You’d have to be pretty ****ing deluded to think we’re on course to be one of those who did it right though.
 
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West WindsR said:
You’d have to be pretty ****ing deluded to think we’re on course to be one of those who did it right though.
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Oh it's a ****show alright. Barclay on QT caught blatantly lieing about tests yet doesnt blink an eyelid. The bullshit just rolls off their tongues naturally! Certain folk dont mind being lied to though
 
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bobmid said:
Oh it's a ****show alright. Barclay on QT caught blatantly lieing about tests yet doesnt blink an eyelid. The bullshit just rolls off their tongues naturally! Certain folk dont mind being lied to though
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Just find it completely disingenuous this line now that it’s too soon to suggest we might have ****ed it. Blatantly swallowing whatever nonsense is fed to them that helps them maintain a belief they haven’t been completely conned into backing these ****s who have zero interest in their lives.
 
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