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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
ELLERS said:
A couple of points and no disrespect to Beth (and I remember the post) but we shouldn't say how good or bad someone is in a job or meeting when we are not present? I think most would agree with that.
Furthermore, I would say Sunak is also 'quite new at his job' has been brilliant. Sometimes people just step up to the plate.
For me, the comments on these meetings are just another example of political point-scoring. The Guardian is on a witch hunt and spends all its time moaning about comings. That reporter who I quoted on Sunday was spot on.
Once again your last paragraph questions the 'specialism' of the scientists and who is in there.
The government will have the best people in those meetings and we need to trust the scientific advice otherwise we only have the experts on here? Trust me that is not a good thing.
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Quite a lot of assumptions there because you trust the government to do the right thing. Somewhere along the line we’ve got it badly wrong going simply on the death tolls. No one has said Whitty is a bad CMO. It’s not like I have a CMO to compare him to. Just that he’s relatively inexperienced. It’s just a hypothesis that he might not get heard enough in meetings when there are some bigger characters. We simply don’t know either way.

Sunak spoke well a month or so ago. There’s a long way to go with his promises to decide he’s been anywhere near successful. Some of those on here who are having to apply for the self-employed help will know better than either of us how smoothly that’s going in reality. It was a good speech though.
 
West WindsR said:
I complimented their ability to say the right things to get into power.

No. Sad reality is they’d have less chance with Nandy and zero chance at all with Long-Bailey. They need to win over working class white men more than anything (not unlike in the US) and it shouldn’t be that way but a bloke gives them more chance of doing that.

The best antidote to the Tory bluster and lies is picking the many gaping holes in their arguments and being composed. We know Boris is awful when it comes to detail and is lazy. Corbyn was generally not good at that at all. Starmer’s career and brief time as leader suggests he’s ideal for this.
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Actually a woman like Nandy may have been a breath of fresh air?
Agree, Starmer maybe forensic and a 'bloke' but he is wooden and even working-class men will see that. As for Boris for all his faults, people love him and he is very popular. You have said yourself in the past about the electorate... People like to vote for characters they like and sometimes put detail to one side.
 
West WindsR said:
Quite a lot of assumptions there because you trust the government to do the right thing. Somewhere along the line we’ve got it badly wrong going simply on the death tolls. No one has said Whitty is a bad CMO. It’s not like I have a CMO to compare him to. Just that he’s relatively inexperienced. It’s just a hypothesis that he might not get heard enough in meetings when there are some bigger characters. We simply don’t know either way.

Sunak spoke well a month or so ago. There’s a long way to go with his promises to decide he’s been anywhere near successful. Some of those on here who are having to apply for the self-employed help will know better than either of us how smoothly that’s going in reality. It was a good speech though.
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Why shouldn't we trust them on this? They are normal people mate. The last thing they want is all this cr3p. They have the right people and I would trust them rather than Fred on Facebook who works on a burger van?
I think Sb commented on the other thread regarding a cover-up. I don't think they are going out of their way to hide the truth mate. Maybe a bit crap at communication but no conspiracy.
Sunak has done some unprecedented things and I can't comment on individual cases but according to one newspaper, I read (Times I think) describing what he has done as taking centre stage.
 
ELLERS said:
Why shouldn't we trust them on this? They are normal people mate. The last thing they want is all this cr3p. They have the right people and I would trust them rather than Fred on Facebook who works on a burger van?
I think Sb commented on the other thread regarding a cover-up. I don't think they are going out of their way to hide the truth mate. Maybe a bit crap at communication but no conspiracy.
Sunak has done some unprecedented things and I can't comment on individual cases but according to one newspaper, I read (Times I think) describing what he has done as taking centre stage.
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Really?
 
bobmid said:
This government is corrupt and lies. It has helped increase our death rate by totally misleading people. If you support those kind of actions then so be it. Some people thrive on lies and corruption.
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Show me a government that doesn't lie, show me a politician that doesn't lie. It's not an exclusive Tory thing, they're doing a fine job of f*cking things up through ineptitude, just look at the minister this morning taken apart by Piers Morgan, one of many who are ill-prepared, ill-briefed and out of their depth.

If Labour had won the election would things be better? Don't kid yourself, it would be just as cack-handed and they'd have blamed the Tories anyway. We, along with most European countries, were caught short, acted too late and have paid a massive price both in lives and financially. It'll take a decade at least to recover...
 
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West WindsR said:
Really?
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Yes of course. Put politics aside for a minute.
We are a country that has a pandemic. This can affect anyone (Boris). All those people are working hard to stop this. Agree there may be mistakes on the way but they still want the best for the country. It's in everyone's interest to get rid of this asap.
When this is over they will judged. Some will say they did what they could and others will say different.
If we don't trust them, who do we trust?
 
Sooperhoop said:
Show me a government that doesn't lie, show me a politician that doesn't lie. It's not an exclusive Tory thing, they're doing a fine job of f*cking things up through ineptitude, just look at the minister this morning taken apart by Piers Morgan, one of many who are ill-prepared, ill-briefed and out of their depth.

If Labour had won the election would things be better? Don't kid yourself, it would be just as cack-handed and they'd have blamed the Tories anyway. We, along with most European countries, were caught short, acted too late and have paid a massive price both in lives and financially. It'll take a decade at least to recover...
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That makes it alright then. Silly me
 
ELLERS said:
Yes of course. Put politics aside for a minute.
We are a country that has a pandemic. This can affect anyone (Boris). All those people are working hard to stop this. Agree there may be mistakes on the way but they still want the best for the country. It's in everyone's interest to get rid of this asap.
When this is over they will judged. Some will say they did what they could and others will say different.
If we don't trust them, who do we trust?
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What are the mistakes?
 
West WindsR said:
So is the “all politicians lie” statement true? Even if it is, do they all lie equally?
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I'm sure some are seasoned liars whereas others just choose not to tell the truth perhaps out of fear of the consequences but I'd be amazed if any politician completed their career without even lying about their expenses...
 
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