Off Topic Coronavirus

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Its understandable and slimy and sneaky why the government downgraded covid19. Woody was always questioning it and I reckon we now have the answer. If that's following the science then maybe we should seriously think about the science we are following.
 
If this panorama in investigation is found to be true (I can well believe it) then this government are the most treacherous, devious, corrupt, disgusting untruthful bastards about! I dont give a flying **** who anyone votes for, this government have killed people through their own mistakes and deliberate actions. Hang your heads in shame all those who support or even defend their actions or lack of actions.
 
Breaking: ONS says there are 3096 deaths from Covid -19 in care homes. Week up to 17th April
 
West WindsR said:
Back on topic, sorry.

Grim reading but this guy is worth following.

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Why follow him when you can go direct to the ONS? Plus he’s got the figures wrong, or at least not clear.

22,000 deaths in the week to 17 April, double the 5 year rolling average, and the highest since recording in this way began in 1993. COVID19 deaths in care homes, a third of the COVID19 total.

Which again fuels my obsession about the increasing and enormous number of ‘excess’ deaths which are not attributed to COVID19.

What the **** is going on? Has the NHS collapsed after all?
 
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sb_73 said:
Why follow him when you can go direct to the ONS? Plus he’s got the figures wrong.

22,000 deaths in the week to 17 April, double the 5 year rolling average, and the highest since recording in this way began in 1993. COVID19 deaths in care homes, a third of the COVID19 total.

Which again fuels my obsession about the increasing and enormous number of ‘excess’ deaths which are not attributed to COVID19.

What the **** is going on? Has the NHS collapsed after all?
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When is this gap in the data going to be asked of the Government and adequately responded to?
 
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SW Ranger said:
When is this gap in the data going to be asked of the Government and adequately responded to?
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They don’t have an answer. To be fair this isn’t just happening here, but everywhere there is a ‘bad’ outbreak of coronavirus, especially in cities.

The ONS figures don’t include Scotland and Northern Ireland, so it’s actually scarier.
 
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And here’s another thing - random antibody tests in NYC show that nearly 25% of the population have had the virus.

WTF, they have antibody tests! Where are ours?
 
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SW Ranger said:
As Beth rightly, and with sound knowledge and understanding of the virus workings, pointed out this virus won’t allow us to undertake a ‘herd immunity’ approach. It has to be controlled. New York City says it believes 24.7% of its city has had the virus and look at their horrific death toll (17,303).

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I don't see how the herd immunity approach can be discounted if we have no idea how many people have already had the virus.
 
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NigsyHoops said:
Can Staines, Beth or someone ITK confirm if these comments are correct?
A message from a Jennifer Saunders
Lets get this in perspective the crayon eaters who are set on pulling Boris down.
Firstly THE GOVERMENT DOES NOT ORDER EQUIPMENT for the NHS, they supply the money. The lazy arse MANAGERS of the NHS are the procurement sources.
It's not the government that deals with the logistics for the NHS, it's yes you've guessed it the NHS, more piss poor NHS management (goverment sorted that by giving them the Army).
Two years ago there was a major exercise about the country being prepared for a possible pandemic, the government did NOT run that exercise, the NHS did, which they used their fantastic line "we can flex" so they were supposedly in a good place, add to that now Brexit with all the stockpiles that we had, they sat there and told the goverment we are ok. Did the MANAGERS then pre empt the 4 weeks pipeline ordering (thats how long it takes container ship to come from......CHINA)....
oh how did we end up in that situation, well you stopped ordering from local sources, mistake all the eggs in one basket, who did that, not the goverment the NHS procurement.
With the care homes now screaming out for PPE shouting at the goverment, oh wait the majority of care home are PRIVATE business's, 84% to be exact. It is not the responsibility of the goverment to order PPE for the private care homes, the others are COUNCIL led therefore which ever banner they are under it is down to them. There are all these people hiding behind the goverment when in reality it is those MANAGERS who have ****ed up. Not to worry though all our stirling journalists and crayon munching joe public who believe the tripe they publish, to bash the goverment, one because they didn't vote for Brexit and two because the toxic crayons have got to them.
The real joe public know our media are ****e in almost every quarter and the muppets that chuck the stones from the sidelines, you know the ones that are armchair virologist/stratergy professionals who could do oh so much better....NOT.
The goverment has made mistakes, but not as many as the media would have you believe, instead of trying to pull this country together it seeks to divide, we don't need this at this crucial time, stop reading the gutter press, the armchair freaks STFU we need to get through this and your insessant squeaking is nothing but oxygen waste.
Lets get through this and beat this, as it is not over yet, not by a long chalk.A message from a Jennifer Saunders
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Jennifer Saunders has disclaimed it completely on twitter.. Has said the whole thing is a fake site and nothing to do with her at all
 
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sb_73 said:
Woody will be interested in that, he raised the downgrading ages ago. I thought it was a bureaucratic thing and a bit daft, but it could have been more sinister I suppose.

I saw a couple of minutes of the Panorama programme but I thought I saw the ranting Professor John Ashton and had to turn off quickly. This bloke might be 100% correct about everything but his screaming hatred and anger on behalf of others gets me down. And the fact is he’s not an expert on infectious diseases and has a pretty explicit anti Tory agenda and always has, even when (years ago) he was an NHS employee. Not a credible witness for me.

I’m quite prepared to believe that there were and are cock ups and cover ups about the preparations and supply of PPE. But the fact remains that worldwide there is not enough PPE to go round, they are having the same agonised discussions in Madrid, Milan and New York.

I think it’s safe to say that, however negligent the government may have been, the bureaucrats and NHS leadership have been equally a part of the problem. No ****ing challenge in these systems.
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Until recent years, the UK was supposedly admired around the world for its pandemic preparedness. The 2016 Cygnus report highlighted the need to stockpile PPE, but this government ignored that advice.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/
 
Just watched the Panorama programme and the thing that struck me is that if the Government really did get COVID downgraded so that it would fit in with the lack of PPE available....then that is a national scandal. It was mentioned on here at the time (by Woody I think) but it’s significance was lost on me amongst all the other happenings..
Meanwhile I’m still sent in to jobs with an apron that’s not even as thick as a corner shops carrier bag.....can’t complain though, eh ?
 
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Staines R's said:
Just watched the Panorama programme and the thing that struck me is that if the Government really did get COVID downgraded so that it would fit in with the lack of PPE available....then that is a national scandal. It was mentioned on here at the time (by Woody I think) but it’s significance was lost on me amongst all the other happenings..
Meanwhile I’m still sent in to jobs with an apron that’s not even as thick as a corner shops carrier bag.....can’t complain though, eh ?
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Yes it's absolutely corrupt and disgraceful. Horrible bastards. Makes my blood boil that people on the front line as well as thousands upon thousands have died while the government just cover things up. These are not mistakes but deliberate actions.
 
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bobmid said:
Yes it's absolutely corrupt and disgraceful. Horrible bastards. Makes my blood boil that people on the front line as well as thousands upon thousands have died while the government just cover things up. These are not mistakes but deliberate actions.
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I can understand incompetence.....it’s just part of being human...but to blatantly go out and attempt to mislead, misinform and cheat, thus putting mine, my families and my colleagues lives at risk is unforgivable.
Shame on them and all their houses
 
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