I'm not a betting man, but I have a sinking feeling that come the next due pay day at end of April, this 80% pay furlough scheme will not be ready. I forsee trouble ahead as millions I reckon will suddenly find no money in their banks for May. Of course I might be totally wrong and will be positive news
Well, Stroller for all your ideological veiws... just sometimes (just) you can be spot on... Don't let that go to your head though.
Well, ideally I would like them to be worker run self managing collectives, but that’s just me. I think they should be free for residents as well. I don’t see why nationalising stuff would make it better. It’s a very old fashioned solution which didn’t work particularly well for loads of things in the sixties and seventies. The state isn’t necessarily efficient, caring or even benign, let alone competent. And it likes to do things on the cheap. In the absence of the revolution, why not have a look at the German system, where health and social care is not provided by the state, there is a lot more of it available than there is here, and it seems to be of higher quality, and it is accessible to all regardless of income. It’s also paid for in a much more transparent and non political way, with the key being proper regulation. The most anybody pays is €450 a month (if you earn over €60k a year) including for your non working dependants. Your employer pays a similar amount. The funds are managed through state regulated Sick Funds. I’m sure it’s not perfect but looks attractive to me.
Front page story has elements of the reopening plan, which has over 70s in lockdown until autumn 2021. But the pubs open by late summer this year. My mum (80) will tear someone’s lungs out if they suggest that to her.
Yes, through regulation. But the state doesn’t own the assets of the system, which it would through nationalisation. It’s socialised health Strolls, just not centralised socialised health like we have. And it covers social care as part of the overall package.
Which is fine, but dependant on how strict, or otherwise, the regulation is and how universal the provision is.
Not getting drawn in mate. I said he can be his own worst enemy, did you not notice that bit? Fault on all sides.
Okay firstly SB you choose countries that will favor your argument. Strangely you omitted France, Italy, Spain which are more of a representation as to size and population to the UK (as well as distance) However, I will attempt to go through the interesting ones. Denmark… Don’t be silly they only have about 5 million people? Singapore… sorry, don’t know enough about coronavirus there. Hong Kong… really? Have figures overseen by the Chinese government? I would always be skeptical about what comes out of there, however, a highly populated place so would have been good to collect information. Let us discuss the ones we can trust… Germany It would be the nearest example to us and the most interesting case. It has been well documented that Germany has a very good health care system as well as those 100 labs compared to our 4. It has amazing Pharma manufacturing and can deal with producing stuff very quickly. Do you believe that Germany gets its testing kits from China? I bet they don’t rely on China as much as we do? There have also been questions on how they record deaths. Plenty of articles will tell you this. Lothar Wieler, president of the Robert Koch Institute in Berlin, the federal government’s health agency, has said the true mortality rate in Germany is probably higher than the officially recorded number. He reported on some tentative evidence that the number of new infections might be slowing down, but said it was too early to make firm conclusions. https://www.ft.com/content/849308f8-75bc-11ea-ad98-044200cb277f However, as I said Germany is a good example on the way forward. We are working closely with them… I think it was ‘Farrar’ (sorry for the wrong spelling). The medical director who confirmed this last week. Finally, my mate works in German and he says they all pay into the medical system. South Korea This is an interesting example because they have high concentrations of people in a small space. I recall reading a piece about the social and cultural differences which have helped them. A good example is when their government tells them to social distance or stay at home, the obey unlike people in the UK who often break the rules? They also tested very quickly and managed to produce affordable testing kits. Whereas we have not been able to do that. Funnily the best testing kits seem to be produced there and we may end up importing from them. South Korea comes across as almost immune to it, which in itself is strange? I also still think there are BAME links to consider in all of this. I think in the end it comes down to political, social and cultural differences in each country. I don’t think it is fair/correct to compare us to another country. As long as we learn by our mistakes and take note of other successes then surely that is the way forward.
Definitely not fair/correct to compare us to another country, so much so you just wrote a whole post on doing that?!?!?!
You asked me for examples of countries who were coping better than we are yesterday and even said you’d enjoy how easily you’d prove me wrong (or similar). Now it’s not fair to do so. You can’t just write Denmark off for having a 5m population. So does Scotland more or less. South Koreans aren’t immune. They’re a textbook example of what can be achieved with near perfect and incredibly rapid ‘ramping up’ of testing and tracing. Similarly Taiwan.
I can't see what a couple of them are posting by I bet they are still bitching about me? Why can't some move on? I actually enjoy not reading some posts now and enjoy it more.
You like misquoting don't you Watford... I said "South Korea comes across as almost immune to it" I never said "they were immune" Also, I was replying to Sb, not you.
