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I never realised, that the earliest identification of COVID 19 occured around the middle to the latter part of November 2019, even though China never reported it until December 31st to WHO. Italy reported a total of six infections on the 21st February 2020, although 3 of those infections were identified earlier but I don't have a timeline for them - but I do know Italy reported it's first two deaths on the 22nd Feb. So basically despite thousands of cases in China, we had at the very least a whole month to shut this virus down. I really think in pandemic situations we need to shut down the movement of people, in that I include your own citizens, to stop the infection where it is, don't let it travel home to pass hundreds of other people on the way. I know some may say that is impossible to achieve, but virtually the whole of Europe is in lockdown now, if we acted sooner, we recover sooner.
 
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I never realised, that the earliest identification of COVID 19 occured around the middle to the latter part of November 2019, even though China never reported it until December 31st to WHO. Italy reported a total of six infections on the 21st February 2020, although 3 of those infections were identified earlier but I don't have a timeline for them - but I do know Italy reported it's first two deaths on the 22nd Feb. So basically despite thousands of cases in China, we had at the very least a whole month to shut this virus down. I really think in pandemic situations we need to shut down the movement of people, in that I include your own citizens, to stop the infection where it is, don't let it travel home to pass hundreds of other people on the way. I know some may say that is impossible to achieve, but virtually the whole of Europe is in lockdown now, if we acted sooner, we recover sooner.
Steady on brb some wont have this explanation !
 
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Steady on brb some wont have this explanation !

Obviously hindsight would be a wonderful thing, but hopefully if the virus has taught as anything it's the death count of complacency, otherwise we might as well agree with the HiaG's of this world <whistle>
 
I never realised, that the earliest identification of COVID 19 occured around the middle to the latter part of November 2019, even though China never reported it until December 31st to WHO. Italy reported a total of six infections on the 21st February 2020, although 3 of those infections were identified earlier but I don't have a timeline for them - but I do know Italy reported it's first two deaths on the 22nd Feb. So basically despite thousands of cases in China, we had at the very least a whole month to shut this virus down. I really think in pandemic situations we need to shut down the movement of people, in that I include your own citizens, to stop the infection where it is, don't let it travel home to pass hundreds of other people on the way. I know some may say that is impossible to achieve, but virtually the whole of Europe is in lockdown now, if we acted sooner, we recover sooner.

I had the worst flu I have ever had this year, which I kept thinking I was getting better from until it came back worse - three times. The symptoms all fit with it being Covid-19 and if I had it today I would strongly suspect I had it. The only problem is I had it from roughly January 16th onwards and I know the work colleague I caught it off had it at least 5 days before I did. I know both of us who had it reckon it was by far the worst we have ever had, as do the others at work who caught it after us. I have no idea if this year's normal flu was worse than usual (any doctors on here?) but if it turns out we did have Covid-19 then it has been circulating a lot earlier than most people are saying.

I agree that shutting down everything earlier would have helped the situation (with the benefit of hindsight), but don't think it would have meant we recovered quicker. This thing isn't going away until we get a working vaccine. All we are doing until then is stretching it out to help the NHS.
 
I never realised, that the earliest identification of COVID 19 occured around the middle to the latter part of November 2019, even though China never reported it until December 31st to WHO. Italy reported a total of six infections on the 21st February 2020, although 3 of those infections were identified earlier but I don't have a timeline for them - but I do know Italy reported it's first two deaths on the 22nd Feb. So basically despite thousands of cases in China, we had at the very least a whole month to shut this virus down. I really think in pandemic situations we need to shut down the movement of people, in that I include your own citizens, to stop the infection where it is, don't let it travel home to pass hundreds of other people on the way. I know some may say that is impossible to achieve, but virtually the whole of Europe is in lockdown now, if we acted sooner, we recover sooner.

unfortunately, long running bloated international organisations become much less effective.

I agree with you, though we put a lot of money into that organisation and like the UN today, its proven itself next to useless.

Governments did rely on the WHO in the initial months, and the WHO initially played this thing down.
How HOW could there be no evidence of human to human transmission by mid Jan. It was running around in Wuhan at least since Oct 2019, at least

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Also, EU solidarity not looking so good at the first sign of a challenge. The haves are telling the have nots to **** off, no Euro bonds.
 
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I had the worst flu I have ever had this year, which I kept thinking I was getting better from until it came back worse - three times. The symptoms all fit with it being Covid-19 and if I had it today I would strongly suspect I had it. The only problem is I had it from roughly January 16th onwards and I know the work colleague I caught it off had it at least 5 days before I did. I know both of us who had it reckon it was by far the worst we have ever had, as do the others at work who caught it after us. I have no idea if this year's normal flu was worse than usual (any doctors on here?) but if it turns out we did have Covid-19 then it has been circulating a lot earlier than most people are saying.

I agree that shutting down everything earlier would have helped the situation (with the benefit of hindsight), but don't think it would have meant we recovered quicker. This thing isn't going away until we get a working vaccine. All we are doing until then is stretching it out to help the NHS.

From the timeline I saw, I estimate that China must have kept this virus from the WHO for around six weeks. That's a long time in todays modern world of travel. To think only a century ago, it would probably have been confined to location.

I saw a few days ago in Italy where that woman came under attack for travelling from Lombardy down to Puglia in the South, she defended her actions by saying she self isolated when home, but she missed the point, how many people did she infect in getting home!
 
unfortunately, long running bloated international organisations become much less effective.

I agree with you, though we put a lot of money into that organisation and like the UN today, its proven itself next to useless.

Governments did rely on the WHO in the initial months, and the WHO initially played this thing down.
How HOW could there be no evidence of human to human transmission by mid Jan. It was running around in Wuhan at least since Oct 2019, at least

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Also, EU solidarity not looking so good at the first sign of a challenge. The haves are telling the have nots to **** off, no Euro bonds.

To be fair, that's just them reporting what the Chinese were telling them They had nothing else to go on at that point.
 
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To be fair, that's just them reporting what the Chinese were telling them They had nothing else to go on at that point.

repeating fake news and fake science from the communist government of china, is not what the world gives the WHO all those millions for.
 
repeating fake news and fake science from the communist government of china, is not what the world gives the WHO all those millions for.

It wasn't fake news from them though. They were saying "This is what the Chinese are saying" and that was what the Chinese were saying. What else could they have done? They had no evidence of anything else being the case at that point.
 
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Obviously hindsight would be a wonderful thing, but hopefully if the virus has taught as anything it's the death count of complacency, otherwise we might as well agree with the HiaG's of this world <whistle>
He wasnt on his own was he ?
Plenty said its blown out of proportion , over reaction, stick a fanny pad on you puff !
It's always better to overreact than underestimate !
 
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I never realised, that the earliest identification of COVID 19 occured around the middle to the latter part of November 2019, even though China never reported it until December 31st to WHO. Italy reported a total of six infections on the 21st February 2020, although 3 of those infections were identified earlier but I don't have a timeline for them - but I do know Italy reported it's first two deaths on the 22nd Feb. So basically despite thousands of cases in China, we had at the very least a whole month to shut this virus down. I really think in pandemic situations we need to shut down the movement of people, in that I include your own citizens, to stop the infection where it is, don't let it travel home to pass hundreds of other people on the way. I know some may say that is impossible to achieve, but virtually the whole of Europe is in lockdown now, if we acted sooner, we recover sooner.

The problem is the last one anything like this was 100 years ago. Maybe this time it will stick in the memory and will be a lesson learned. I expect after the ****show we've gone through, what you've said will be exactly the response.

The irony here is that many were slow to respond because doing so was perceived as a threat to their economies. Next time they will want to shut down much quicker for that reason!
 
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