Off Topic Coronavirus

[sb_73]

mmm not good but they said we shouldn't be looking at these figures (even though it's hard not to) but how many new cases and how many in critical care. Hard reality of it. TBH I was hoping it may have dropped. The scientist bloke on Skynews say expect higher amounts in coming weeks.

They don’t update the numbers in critical care or how many people have actually recovered, so the layman can have no idea of trends etc. I also note that they don’t say ‘died of coronavirus’ they say ‘tested positive for coronavirus’ for deaths in hospital which is a very different thing.

 

[ELLERS]

On a nicer note, I have removed that stupid predictive spellchecker that has caused me nothing but problems. Hopefully, I will be able to write a post without it replacing words.

 

[sb_73]

It will be a big test. The traffic on the roads near me is much much busier than at the beginning of the week. One of my brothers is back to work (self employed roofer) and he says theres loads of tradesmen out and about working. I've just had a call from a friend of a friend asking if I can skim their daughters bedroom next week. He is a copper believe it or not. I feel like this weekend, with the hot weather, the total confusion over the construction industry, the lack of money available to people who need to put a meal on the table and the constant ****e in the daily briefings will be the beginning of people just deciding enough is enough.

I can see this. If the government gave a deadline to loosen restrictions within the foreseeable future I suspect people would do their best to stick with it. But, after less than two weeks, it seems like we could be stuck in a kind of limbo for ages, with weak and vague leadership (not saying leadership by anyone else would necessarily be better).

 

[bobmid]

I'm in a really precarious position. With funds ever decreasing I actually need to go back to work. I cant be guaranteed that the government will grant me anything come June as the construction industry is still open as usual. I cant actually wait that long anyway. I risk myself and my family by doing this and its something I really dont want to do BUT I dont have a choice. Many I know need money now and are capable of earning it so they are going back next week in their droves. This pandemic will not peak this week or next week as i believe people will be acting like this up and down the country. This is going to go on for a long time yet and numbers will keep increasing due to people being put in impossible positions.

 

[ELLERS]

They don’t update the numbers in critical care or how many people have actually recovered, so the layman can have no idea of trends etc. I also note that they don’t say ‘died of coronavirus’ they say ‘tested positive for coronavirus’ for deaths in hospital which is a very different thing.

mmm it's been 163 in critical care for some time now? Although we have been told we are some way off capacity which is encouraging.

 

[sb_73]

mmm it's been 163 in critical care for some time now? Although we have been told we are some way off capacity which is encouraging.

Given that 680 or whatever died in hospitals yesterday that critical care figure is either not being updated or a sign that they aren’t bothering to ventilate huge numbers of patients. I favour the former reason. Likewise we still only have 135 ‘recovered’ patients, which is bullshit.

 

[Sooperhoop]

Comedy Gold if it wasn't so serious, still, no one in their right mind would want to go there...

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[ELLERS]

Given that 680 or whatever died in hospitals yesterday that critical care figure is either not being updated or a sign that they aren’t bothering to ventilate huge numbers of patients. I favour the former reason. Likewise we still only have 135 ‘recovered’ patients, which is bullshit.

The worrying thing SB is that you don't want to be going on ventilators because only a very small percentage comes off. What's worrying is that the new hospital is fitted with loads of them.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

It will be a big test. The traffic on the roads near me is much much busier than at the beginning of the week. One of my brothers is back to work (self employed roofer) and he says theres loads of tradesmen out and about working. I've just had a call from a friend of a friend asking if I can skim their daughters bedroom next week. He is a copper believe it or not. I feel like this weekend, with the hot weather, the total confusion over the construction industry, the lack of money available to people who need to put a meal on the table and the constant ****e in the daily briefings will be the beginning of people just deciding enough is enough.

You could be right, Bob. It will be ironic given the lockdown is meant to help the NHS and everyone was clapping the workers last night. If the voluntary lockdown does breakdown, I think we'll be in compulsory French-style restrictions by next week

 

[Stroller]

They don’t update the numbers in critical care or how many people have actually recovered, so the layman can have no idea of trends etc. I also note that they don’t say ‘died of coronavirus’ they say ‘tested positive for coronavirus’ for deaths in hospital which is a very different thing.

It's as if they want the numbers of coronavirus deaths to be high.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

It's as if they want the numbers of coronavirus deaths to be high.

I don't see what else they can say when there are a number of contributory factors. "He died of natural causes and he also had coronavirus" doesn't sound right to me. Of course, if a virus-sufferer fell under a bus, then listing it as a coronavirus death would be contrived

 

[surreyhoop]

It will be a big test. The traffic on the roads near me is much much busier than at the beginning of the week. One of my brothers is back to work (self employed roofer) and he says theres loads of tradesmen out and about working. I've just had a call from a friend of a friend asking if I can skim their daughters bedroom next week. He is a copper believe it or not. I feel like this weekend, with the hot weather, the total confusion over the construction industry, the lack of money available to people who need to put a meal on the table and the constant ****e in the daily briefings will be the beginning of people just deciding enough is enough.

Yeah it was much busier around my area too today. Not at its usual level, but noticably busier.

 

[sb_73]

The worrying thing SB is that you don't want to be going on ventilators because only a very small percentage comes off. What's worrying is that the new hospital is fitted with loads of them.

Last I read it was that 50% on ventilators recover, which isn’t enough but not ‘very small’, have you heard something else?

The clinical lead for NHS Nightingale on the telly. Doubtless a good bloke but far from reassuring on how this place is going to be staffed. Bit of a charnel house in waiting.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

As I said you listen to the FT...I will listen to NHS and health minister.

The FT was referring to Patrick Vallance and, in their words, “NHS chiefs”. Nice try though.

 

[Sooperhoop]

mmm it's been 163 in critical care for some time now? Although we have been told we are some way off capacity which is encouraging.

There were 20 in critical care for the 1st week I followed the figures, then it jumped to 163 where it has been ever since. Clearly no updates on those figures. The only ones that really matter are total cases and deaths. Current trajectory is now on course for overtaking Italy...

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

When this thing started I was confident that it was too much fuss about not that much. Then the horror propaganda kicked in and I began to think that I'd got it wrong. I now I think I was right in the first place.

Would you explain that? 684 deaths today. 1 is too many if it could have been prevented

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

You may have to think back a bit.... In 2011/12 when the mighty QPR were playing Newcastle away over the Christmas period. I bought tickets for plane/game/hotel... sadly I fell ill and was unable to go. I was really sick (worst I think I have been). If that was now it probably would have been Covid-19. Anyway I did a search on Flu's in this country and found out during that time we had an outbreak of Coronavirus. FFS no one ever informed us! I was not tested or anything... just sent packing from the doctor. I cannot wait for these test kits to become availible because in Jan this year I had a weirdest cold. If I find out that I have had Covid-19 or Coronavirus I will be P'd.

OK. Serious question here. Who is to blame for the failure to anticipate, plan. prepare and get ready for a disaster or a pandemic? We've had enough warnings over the years.

 

[Stroller]

Would you explain that? 684 deaths today. 1 is too many if it could have been prevented

How many of the 684 would have died within a few weeks anyway? How many of the 684 were possibly caused by other conditions, but the unfortunate victim also tested positive for Coronavirus? Perhaps more pertinently, how many early deaths will be caused by the economic fallout from the lockdown? I'm not convinced that it's worth it.

 

[Staines R's]

Evidence?

Look at any of the posts here from certain Tory supporters and you’ll have your evidence

 

[YorkshireHoopster]

How many of the 684 would have died within a few weeks anyway? How many of the 684 were possibly caused by other conditions, but the unfortunate victim also tested positive for Coronavirus? Perhaps more pertinently, how many early deaths will be caused by the economic fallout from the lockdown? I'm not convinced that it's worth it.

Ok. Assuming for one moment that you may be right and that the figures have been massaged by inflating them for political convenience what practical steps do you think should have been taken to reduce the spread of the epidemic yet allow everyone to carry on working and socialising as before?