Off Topic Coronavirus

[ELLERS]

Am I wrong?

Yes, again you are. But it’s Sunday Watford ( I think) and I’m bored going over the same political crap of point scoring.
Nothing could have prepared the World for this... nothing. Some countries will deal with it better than others. We have what we have and just need to get on with it. Plenty of countries with top medical stuff getting a kicking from this. Plenty of countries will come out of this in a bad financial way. Instead of holding on to anti-government headlines from the Guardian you need to wait until it’s over and then make an informative decision. Until then you are just part of a group that is trying to knock the government at every opportunity.
And yes Germany has a great pharma and medical system. So does France but they were bailed out in week 1 by Germany

 

[Stroller]

The implication being that it’s just as bad in Germany as elsewhere? I don’t think so, they have capacity to import critical cases from both France and Italy. They started testing aggressively in January, and traced contacts of the few initial cases very effectively. Not to say that things won’t get worse there, but there is a tangible difference in the way they have handled things.

Interesting contrasts elsewhere as well. Sweden, where politicians cannot influence public health measures by law, has gone for the light touch on the basis that Swedes follow advice. Their neighbours the Danes have gone for heavy restrictions. Deaths in Sweden, though still low compared to other nations, are climbing many times faster than in Denmark.

The Netherlands had an initial strategy of ‘herd immunity’ which they have also abandoned.



But relax only when we can test properly and see the results of the testing? Agree, if the results indicate large numbers of already infected and recovered people, and we can do humane and supportive ‘lockdown’ for the vulnerable and ensure that the NHS gets all the support needed in any scenario. The big risk to me in the short term is a collapse of the NHS which will impact the health of all those who are ill, not just those with the virus or vulnerable to it. Long term it’s economic collapse with societal disruption and potentially unrest.

As Uber says what’s a life worth? Obviously one life has a value, it can be monetised. Who dares do it? Not me.

How long ago was it that Johnson stood up at PMQs and said that antibody tests would be imminently available? It seems to me that these tests are probably more important than the antigen tests. Eager to please, the PM has over-promised and under-delivered on this issue. I suspect that there may already be millions who have had the virus and are immune. We need to get people back to work.

 

[sb_73]

How long ago was it that Johnson stood up at PMQs and said that antibody tests would be imminently available? It seems to me that these tests are probably more important than the antigen tests. Eager to please, the PM has over-promised and under-delivered on this issue. I suspect that there may already be millions who have had the virus and are immune. We need to get people back to work.

Well, true, but not really an answer to my question. So you would relax the restrictions regardless of anti body test availability? Your suspicions may well be true, but hardly constitute ‘evidence’.

 

[Star of David Bardsley]

Yes, again you are. But it’s Sunday Watford ( I think) and I’m bored going over the same political crap of point scoring.
Nothing could have prepared the World for this... nothing. Some countries will deal with it better than others. We have what we have and just need to get on with it. Plenty of countries with top medical stuff getting a kicking from this. Plenty of countries will come out of this in a bad financial way. Instead of holding on to anti-government headlines from the Guardian you need to wait until it’s over and then make an informative decision. Until then you are just part of a group that is trying to knock the government at every opportunity.
And yes Germany has a great pharma and medical system. So does France but they were bailed out in week 1 by Germany

Some of that is true. It doesn’t change the fact that we had the choice to be a part of EU procurement of vital products to help deal with it, declined and then lied about doing so.

It’s not point scoring. It’s discussing what can only be putting ideology over lives. I could focus on some of the other dithering which is more just old-fashioned incompetence than anything to do with ideology.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

How long ago was it that Johnson stood up at PMQs and said that antibody tests would be imminently available? It seems to me that these tests are probably more important than the antigen tests. Eager to please, the PM has over-promised and under-delivered on this issue. I suspect that there may already be millions who have had the virus and are immune. We need to get people back to work.

I think you may be turning into Donald Trump, Strolls

 

[Stroller]

Well, true, but not really an answer to my question. So you would relax the restrictions regardless of anti body test availability? Your suspicions may well be true, but hardly constitute ‘evidence’.

Part of me says yes, but on balance, no, I wouldn't relax restrictions until the antibody tests are available. We just need to get the bleeding things out there.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

I think I would rather be unemployed than dead

The vast majority of those who contract it will feel or mild symptoms, some will feel like they’ve got flu, for which the vast majority don’t go to hospital.

It is not an acutely infectious disease, as stated by the government, as advised by public health.

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

In a word Woody, No.

I have felt like this for the last couple of weeks, but to say so and put your head above the parapet risks being called a twunt. This will make the GFC seems like a walk in the park. The economic, political and social impacts will be profound; these will not be fully felt for a while. I have read (perhaps on here, i have read so much from many places!) that the response to this crisis is to either save the lives of the elderly to sacrifice the future of the young or vice versa. It will be difficult to do both. We are currently well on the path of the former. Things are going to be grim, very grim. I hope I am proved wrong.

This graph sums it all up for me.

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I’m happy to be called that, I am most days by my wife, sometimes my kids too.

But actually, unlike previous questions I’ve asked about world events, when I was ridiculed, this time, so far no one’s calling me anything.

Only SB has responded to the astonishing reclassification of the disease as no longer an HCID, and he found it odd - he certainly pulls me up when he feels it necessary.

Fear is the greatest way of controlling a population and we’ve been fed fear by the media on this for weeks now, relentlessly.

 

[Stroller]

I think you may be turning into Donald Trump, Strolls

Trump is an imbecile, but his 'why make the cure worse than the problem' line chimes with me a little.

 

[Staines R's]

I’m happy to be called that, I am most days by my wife, sometimes my kids too.

But actually, unlike previous questions I’ve asked about world events, when I was ridiculed, this time, so far no one’s calling me anything.

Only SB has responded to the astonishing reclassification of the disease as no longer an HCID, and he found it odd - he certainly pulls me up when he feels it necessary.

Fear is the greatest way of controlling a population and we’ve been fed fear by the media on this for weeks now, relentlessly.

I’d add to your comments that the vast majority of those that do die from/with COVID have underlying health issues....
What you say Woody certainly isn’t nuts.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Trump is an imbecile, but his 'why make the cure worse than the problem' line chimes with me a little.

I think that philosophy will win out eventually in the UK and US, once the health systems (such as there is one in the US) can show they will not be overwhelmed. Boris does not want 20000 plus deaths on his political CV. Trump seems a little more phlegmatic about a high death toll based on his survival of the fittest-type capitalism

 

[Uber_Hoop]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s***

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

[***correction: he’s 79]

 

[UTRs]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

Sorry to hear that Uber!

 

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[rangercol]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

So sorry Ubes.

 

[Steelmonkey]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

Sorry to hear that pal, all the best to you and yours

 

[Woodyhoopleson]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

Sorry to hear that Uber.

 

[Staines R's]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

So sorry bruv

 

[ELLERS]

Sorry to hear Ubes.

 

[Turkish" Premier" Hoops]

Just been given the news that my late father’s last surviving sibling, my uncle, is on a ventilator with the coronavirus, possibly contracted whilst in hospital dealing with existing old-age ailments. He’s in his mid-70s.

Obviously my aunt can’t even visit because of both the risk and restrictions. He’s already been asked if he wants to be resuscitated should his condition worsen.

****, innit?

Sorry to hear this Uber.