Borussia Dortmund

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51471587

"We don't buy superstars, we create them!"

I know people over the road laugh about things like "the Dortmund model" but this is absolutely the approach that we (and any provincial club) should be adopting with regards to recruitment.

If done correctly it achieves profits, it provides a core of young and talented players in the squad, it squeezes the most out of local talent, it develops players as people, and best of all, it is scaleable. So you don't have to have Dortmund's resources to follow their model (though obviously it would be advantageous).

 

[Nads]

Incredible club.

whether they come through the youth set up or they bring them in every player leaves better. They deserve every bit as much credit as Ajax or Barca for what they do, it’s staggering.

They stay competitive as well, that juggling act is magic.

 

[Saf]

We flirted with this when De Fanti tried to emulate the Udinese model, which is the same idea of buy low, sell high. It was a scattergun approach without any proper thought put into it.

It is something we should look at revisiting. The AOL alone could bankroll this club if we nailed that.

 

[Ozzymac]

We flirted with this when De Fanti tried to emulate the Udinese model, which is the same idea of buy low, sell high. It was a scattergun approach without any proper thought put into it.

It is something we should look at revisiting. The AOL alone could bankroll this club if we nailed that.

Problem with that is the patience of the fans.

For it to work it needs to be a long term plan developing the youth to assist in keeping wages down and reduce transfer expenses. It could realistically take at least 5 seasons or more of being in the championship. The reason i say the Championship is that our youth players are more likely to stay if they are a chance of getting regular starts in the 2nd tier, on top of that they're playing against a good standard of opposition which assists in their development.

Imho we should always name 1 u/23 or u/18 in the matchday squad so they get the big boy match day experience. No harm in throwing them on with 10 minutes to go if we're winning comfortably.

 

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Problem with that is the patience of the fans.

For it to work it needs to be a long term plan developing the youth to assist in keeping wages down and reduce transfer expenses. It could realistically take at least 5 seasons or more of being in the championship. The reason i say the Championship is that our youth players are more likely to stay if they are a chance of getting regular starts in the 2nd tier, on top of that they're playing against a good standard of opposition which assists in their development.

Imho we should always name 1 u/23 or u/18 in the matchday squad so they get the big boy match day experience. No harm in throwing them on with 10 minutes to go if we're winning comfortably.

I think you're probably right in the sense that we have to do it in the Championship, but I'd happily spend a few years there if it was to build a new identity and future for the club.

By all accounts, our youths are brilliant at the lower levels right now... I'd love us to make it an objective to have a minimum of 5 home grown players in every match day squad from 2025 onwards.

To be honest, we're wouldn't be that far away in a couple of years if we keep Hume, Gooch, Mumba and maybe Embleton.

 

[RLB's Beautiful Face]

I think you're probably right in the sense that we have to do it in the Championship, but I'd happily spend a few years there if it was to build a new identity and future for the club.

By all accounts, our youths are brilliant at the lower levels right now... I'd love us to make it an objective to have a minimum of 5 home grown players in every match day squad from 2025 onwards.

To be honest, we're wouldn't be that far away in a couple of years if we keep Hume, Gooch, Mumba and maybe Embleton.

Nah, I think we were decent at youth levels a few years back but it's gone massively down the ****ter recently. Last I saw, our youth team was bottom of the league, and miles adrift. Think they'd picked up three points all season or something

 

[Ozzymac]

Nah, I think we were decent at youth levels a few years back but it's gone massively down the ****ter recently. Last I saw, our youth team was bottom of the league, and miles adrift. Think they'd picked up three points all season or something

That's the U18's and U23's.

Our younger age groups seem to do quite well. If we could encourage them to stay then over time the older groups would improve.

I'm sure that there are ways that we could provide financial incentives for the kids families to encourage them to stay. For example we could employ them as scouts on a grand a week. Who gives a toss if it's only their kids games that they're watching

 

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Nah, I think we were decent at youth levels a few years back but it's gone massively down the ****ter recently. Last I saw, our youth team was bottom of the league, and miles adrift. Think they'd picked up three points all season or something

That's the more senior ones though, but last year our under 13's, 14's and 15's were all either national champions or runners up. A year before that, the under 14's at the time won a competition which included the likes of Ajax and Bayern Munich as well.

So 5 years from now, these lads are 18-20. Our challenge is to nurture their talent, develop them, retain them and give them opportunities.

 

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That's the U18's and U23's.

Our younger age groups seem to do quite well. If we could encourage them to stay then over time the older groups would improve.

I'm sure that there are ways that we could provide financial incentives for the kids families to encourage them to stay. For example we could employ them as scouts on a grand a week. Who gives a toss if it's only their kids games that they're watching

I think the FA might care

But it's not even just financial, we might not be an elite club but if we were providing a path to the first team, then more players would stay. At the very least, the likes of Mumba, Kimpioka and Embleton should be on the bench, every week that they're available. We talk about them as if they're still too young to break through but Embleton is 20, Kimpioka is 19 and Mumba 18.

Playing youngsters is the only card we have to play, and our only chance of retaining the better ones in the future.

 

[Ozzymac]

I think the FA might care

But it's not even just financial, we might not be an elite club but if we were providing a path to the first team, then more players would stay. At the very least, the likes of Mumba, Kimpioka and Embleton should be on the bench, every week that they're available. We talk about them as if they're still too young to break through but Embleton is 20, Kimpioka is 19 and Mumba 18.

Playing youngsters is the only card we have to play, and our only chance of retaining the better ones in the future.

Agree 100% which is why i say we've got nothing to lose by naming 1 or 2 of them in the match day squad.

It gives the players hope and if they get a few minutes in "junk time" then they're more than likely to rebuff the big clubs as they can see the possibility of a pro contract.

 

[cumbrianmackem]

Aren't they offering this Jadon kid for £100m, tidy profit that like if they get it in the summer.

 

[Nads]

You know, the fee we sold Jordan for to Liverpool is equivalent to about £60 million today.

We have the capability, it would be fine with me to follow that model.

Let’s be frank, would any of us complain to be Ajax, Dortmund or even Salzburg?

Its a potential path for us and one that would bring great pride in the club.

 

[The Norton Cat]

You know, the fee we sold Jordan for to Liverpool is equivalent to about £60 million today.

We have the capability, it would be fine with me to follow that model.

Let’s be frank, would any of us complain to be Ajax, Dortmund or even Salzburg?

Its a potential path for us and one that would bring great pride in the club.

I think there's definitely scope within the English game for someone to carve out that kind of role for themselves. It would offer us a unique identity over most other clubs too, especially in a football culture where the go to blueprint for success is spend, spend, spend. Having said that, I suppose Southampton have tried to operate that way to some extent, but it hasn't been sustained, so there is room for someone to fill that niche. Why not us?

 

[sheepman]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51471587

"We don't buy superstars, we create them!"

I know people over the road laugh about things like "the Dortmund model" but this is absolutely the approach that we (and any provincial club) should be adopting with regards to recruitment.

If done correctly it achieves profits, it provides a core of young and talented players in the squad, it squeezes the most out of local talent, it develops players as people, and best of all, it is scaleable. So you don't have to have Dortmund's resources to follow their model (though obviously it would be advantageous).

Fantastic read cheers

 

[Nads]

I think there's definitely scope within the English game for someone to carve out that kind of role for themselves. It would offer us a unique identity over most other clubs too, especially in a football culture where the go to blueprint for success is spend, spend, spend. Having said that, I suppose Southampton have tried to operate that way to some extent, but it hasn't been sustained, so there is room for someone to fill that niche. Why not us?

I think the issue Saints have had is they’ve developed some great player but then badly spent on others, and that’s the fall part.

They are a good club but you could argue it’s a bit scattergun. If we were gonna do it I could quite happily support the club with a mindset that I’m not dreaming of trophies but am taking great pride in watching players prosper.

We’ve all buzzed off seeing a Mackem lift the CL and a bit more of that be nice.

Getting the balance and having a good, respected side is there for us, we are a big, proud club and if we were competitive I’ve no doubt players would either stay, or would be keen to join.

 

[The Norton Cat]

I think the issue Saints have had is they’ve developed some great player but then badly spent on others, and that’s the fall part.

They are a good club but you could argue it’s a bit scattergun. If we were gonna do it I could quite happily support the club with a mindset that I’m not dreaming of trophies but am taking great pride in watching players prosper.

We’ve all buzzed off seeing a Mackem lift the CL and a bit more of that be nice.

Getting the balance and having a good, respected side is there for us, we are a big, proud club and if we were competitive I’ve no doubt players would either stay, or would be keen to join.

Definitely. Winning trophies and whatever is obviously nice but I'd much rather see a club that really was something that the city could be truly proud of. Imagine a scenario where all of the top clubs in Europe had at least one player who'd been developed at Sunderland. Or the majority of the England team was composed of lads who'd played in red and white at some point in their career. I love looking round Europe at the unique identities of so many clubs and by comparison sometimes the English clubs look grey and dull and without much character. I'd love our club to really stand out as something special and this could be the way.