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Kaito said:
I have used the words greedy, selfish and stupid but they were not used to describe Brexiteers, they were used to describe people I have personal experience with, and many of them are my own family members, people I have known for many years and their friends. These are people who believe everything the media throws up with regard to trashing Corbyn and Labour. They are also people who will vote to protect what they have and what they see as their right and do not believe many of the facts about the state of the country, the NHS or the environment. In that respect they are ****ing stupid, greedy and selfish, for wanting to protect their status quo at the expense of others less fortunate than them. Argue with that if you want but it is true.

Why is Jeremy Corbyn so 'unpopular'? Friday will determine whether he is as unpopular as the media tell us, but yes I do agree that his delivery and persona doesn't make for a good fit in these days of celebrity political status and the idiotic PM is far more 'interesting', especially if you prefer EastEnders to Question Time. If you ever take time to watch and listen to Corbyn you come away with a sense of his deep compassion for others and his unwillingness to condemn even the most easy of targets like the IRA. Mo Mowlam was exactly the same, and history has proven her stance over meeting with and encouraging the IRA to become involved with peace talks as an essential element in bringing an end to the troubles. Mo Mowlam was derided by the Tory press and pilloried by the Eton educated toffs, but she did what they could never do, because she was a politician of the people. Blair revelled in the glory but it was people like her that made it happen.

People like to point the finger at the IRA and believe they were the sole cause of the troubles. That is the American way of re-writing history and it just doesn't stand up. Catholics in Northern Ireland have always had the **** end of the stick and is it really surprising that sooner or later they would fight back? Even today there is still a problem with Catholics getting certain jobs in NI. Yes it was sectarian and yes it was murderously bloody but believing the IRA were the only bad guys ignores the fact that the Protestants were every bit as guilty of violence and wanted the Catholics gone. The British Army didn't cover itself with glory either, with a proven 'shoot to kill' policy and a government sanctioned rogue army murder squad called the FRU (Force Research Unit).

The reason Jeremy Corbyn didn't and still doesn't condemn the IRA, or the Palestinians, or Hezbollah is because there are always two sides to every conflict and there is never just one bad guy. What Corbyn does condemn is violence, no matter who is responsible. That is a far more honourable stance than the sound-bite rhetoric of the Trump/Johnson style of politics where identifying the 'enemy' is seen to be a strength. It's actually a weakness and politically inept. British troops in Afghanistan proved by talking to locals, and even meeting with the Taliban, they were able to bring about a series of tentative ceasefires in Helmand Province. Talking works. Finger pointing condemnation doesn't.

If the Tories are elected it won't be just because people don't trust Jeremy Corbyn, or just because they do trust Boris Johnson. As in everything, there will be many factors playing out in the result, but blaming Corbyn for loosing or being unelectable because he is a 70's throwback who refuses to condemn the IRA etc is not going to be the reason.
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Kaito,

Thanks for replying to my post in a calm and measured way.
I obviously don't agree with a lot of what you have said but it deserves a response and I will write one soon.
 
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It's Only A Game said:
A terrorist and an anti-semite and a communist walks into a bar.
The barman says
"Evening Mr Corbyn"
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I don't agree Corbyn is any of those things.

1. Someone who speaks to terrorists is not a terrorist.
2. Corbyn has many Jewish friends. He is perhaps an anti zionist.
3. A communist is a long way removed from a socialist. Communism has come to relate to Stalinist Russia... which is hardly an epitome of true socialism.
 
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I don't agree Corbyn is any of those things.

1. Someone who speaks to terrorists is not a terrorist.
2. Corbyn has many Jewish friends. He is perhaps an anti zionist.
3. A communist is a long way removed from a socialist. Communism has come to relate to Stalinist Russia... which is hardly an epitome of true socialism.
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Loading, don't be so serious man! (and St Jabbo)

If you take a look at the post I made earlier ([HASHTAG]#22815[/HASHTAG]) it's clear I don't like Corbyn and the above was a joke at his expense, no more than that.
I also wanted to share it with you Jezza fans on here knowing you all have a sense of humour. (But I'm not so sure now)
 
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It's Only A Game said:
Loading, don't be so serious man! (and St Jabbo)

If you take a look at the post I made earlier ([HASHTAG]#22815[/HASHTAG]) it's clear I don't like Corbyn and the above was a joke at his expense, no more than that.
I also wanted to share it with you Jezza fans on here knowing you all have a sense of humour. (But I'm not so sure now)
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I think our sense of humour are all rather thin atm. The general election is the joke to those of us that believe in the cause, the media has been using those 'jokes' over and over again
 
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It's Only A Game said:
Loading, don't be so serious man! (and St Jabbo)

If you take a look at the post I made earlier ([HASHTAG]#22815[/HASHTAG]) it's clear I don't like Corbyn and the above was a joke at his expense, no more than that.
I also wanted to share it with you Jezza fans on here knowing you all have a sense of humour. (But I'm not so sure now)
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I can see why some would find it funny . I do agree nerves are frayed at the moment . FWIW I don’t think for one minute you set out to upset anyone .

Think we all just need to remain respective and hope for the best when we wake up on Friday 12b.
 
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Number 1 Jasper said:
I can see why some would find it funny . I do agree nerves are frayed at the moment . FWIW I don’t think for one minute you set out to upset anyone .

Think we all just need to remain respective and hope for the best when we wake up on Friday 12b.
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If that Unicorn I've been promised isn't here on Friday there'll be bloody trouble.
 
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The latest YouGov poll gives a glimmer of hope and holds the prospect of a hung parliament. Personally I don't think that it will happen and Pfeffel will get his majority, I hope that I'm being a pessimist not a realist. If it does happen then it's a combination of Corbyn's failure to cut through to voters and Tory pro Brexit bias. If the report on foreign interference backs my theory then I will feel the result invalidates both the referendum and tomorrow's poll.
 
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Farked19 said:
The latest YouGov poll gives a glimmer of hope and holds the prospect of a hung parliament. Personally I don't think that it will happen and Pfeffel will get his majority, I hope that I'm being a pessimist not a realist. If it does happen then it's a combination of Corbyn's failure to cut through to voters and Tory pro Brexit bias. If the report on foreign interference backs my theory then I will feel the result invalidates both the referendum and tomorrow's poll.
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And there’s this as well. No surprises, but it’s in the mainstream media and people are blithely ignoring it:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/10/inve...ry-ads-misleading-compared-0-labour-11651802/
 
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Farked19 said:
The latest YouGov poll gives a glimmer of hope and holds the prospect of a hung parliament. Personally I don't think that it will happen and Pfeffel will get his majority, I hope that I'm being a pessimist not a realist. If it does happen then it's a combination of Corbyn's failure to cut through to voters and Tory pro Brexit bias. If the report on foreign interference backs my theory then I will feel the result invalidates both the referendum and tomorrow's poll.
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Be careful what you wish for, in a very hypothetical situation, Tories could get say 320 seats, do a deal with DUP to renegotiate the deal regarding NI and EU refuses , Labour try another Benn amendment to force extension which fails because all the Tories like Letwin who voted for it last time have gone and we end up with no deal.
 
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