Off Topic General Election Special

[Edelman]

thanks for confirming he said it. He's mad enough to implement it. That's the concern.

I'm on about all of the parties so don't read one side into this !

 

[TheCasual]

It didn't help 9 years ago when the pot was empty and the country was mortgaged to the hilt.

The idea that austerity was necessary to balance the books was necessary is farcical.

In 1945 the level of national debt to GDP was 240% and Labour government of the time built the NHS, nationalised major industries, started the welfare state and introduced social housing.

In 2010 debt to GDP was around 70% and after nearly 10 years of austerity it's now 86%.

Austerity is just way of transferring wealth upwards through tax cuts, privatisation and outsourcing of public services. Paid for by cuts to services.

 

[Edelman]

The idea that austerity was necessary to balance the books was necessary is farcical.

In 1945 the level of national debt to GDP was 240% and Labour government of the time built the NHS, nationalised major industries, started the welfare state and introduced social housing.

In 2010 debt to GDP was around 70% and after nearly 10 years of austerity it's now 86%.

Austerity is just way of transferring wealth upwards through tax cuts, privatisation and outsourcing of public services. Paid for by cuts to services.

Labours plans still wouldn't take us to the levels of public spending the France and Germany spend !
Also the cost of servicing the borrowing is very low at the minute so it wouldn't be the doomsday scenario that is being pushed by the right wing led media .

 

[TheCasual]

Labours plans still wouldn't take us to the levels of public spending the France and Germany spend !
Also the cost of servicing the borrowing is very low at the minute so it wouldn't be the doomsday scenario that is being pushed by the right wing led media .

A lot of the policies Labour are proposing are middle of the road in Scandinavia and Germany.

Merkel is the leader of Germany's Tory party. Yet she's pro nationised industries, pro trade unions and pro investment.

That shows you how far right we've been dragged economically.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

I trillion labour left now 1.8tn

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That's probably not far off the mark actually!National debt has risen under the Tories,that's undeniable!!
It's a clever little chart in spin terms because it omits the period between 96/97( when national debt was £347 billion) and 2009/10 where it had risen to £1,011 billion.That 13 year period was of course under a Labour government,care to expand on that?

 

[Ric Glasgow]

That's probably not far off the mark actually!National debt has risen under the Tories,that's undeniable!!
It's a clever little chart in spin terms because it omits the period between 96/97( when national debt was £347 billion) and 2009/10 where it had risen to £1,011 billion.That 13 year period was of course under a Labour government,care to expand on that?

In simple terms...National debt almost trebled under the last Labour government!!

 

[Hulot]

The idea that austerity was necessary to balance the books was necessary is farcical.

In 1945 the level of national debt to GDP was 240% and Labour government of the time built the NHS, nationalised major industries, started the welfare state and introduced social housing.

In 2010 debt to GDP was around 70% and after nearly 10 years of austerity it's now 86%.

Austerity is just way of transferring wealth upwards through tax cuts, privatisation and outsourcing of public services. Paid for by cuts to services.

In 2010 Chancellor of the Exchequer Alastair Darling already had a plan in action for balancing the books, just not as quickly as Osborne chose to do. It was already working. Osborne chose to break it.

The reason for the debt was that Brown bailed out the banks after the failure of free-market capitalism. In parliament, Cameron and Osborne both voted to use public money to rescue the banks, something they failed to mention in the 2010 election campaign.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

A lot of the policies Labour are proposing are middle of the road in Scandinavia and Germany.

Merkel is the leader of Germany's Tory party. Yet she's pro nationised industries, pro trade unions and pro investment.

That shows you how far right we've been dragged economically.

I'm curious as to why her party is floundering so badly then?

 

[pierredelafranchesca]

In simple terms...National debt almost trebled under the last Labour government!!

I agree, Labour increased the ND, then the tories came along and increased it further. My initial point was in reference to a suggestion which pretty much put all of the financial issues on Labours door step, when the truth is that the Tories are no better, in fact arguably worse as the ND position has gotten worse in an environment where govt spending has slowed under austerity.

 

[Edelman]

That's probably not far off the mark actually!National debt has risen under the Tories,that's undeniable!!
It's a clever little chart in spin terms because it omits the period between 96/97( when national debt was £347 billion) and 2009/10 where it had risen to £1,011 billion.That 13 year period was of course under a Labour government,care to expand on that?

There was a lot of spending on schools and hospitals that had been left for 3 decades .
The schools where in a desperate state .

 

[pierredelafranchesca]

I'm curious as to why her party is floundering so badly then?

I think a key factor is that the proportional representation method of electing MPs is a large factor here, a non-2 party system allows for greater fluctuation in representation and makes it harder for a single or 2 parties to dominate. Worth noting they are still in power though.

 

[The B&S Fanclub]

I'm on about all of the parties so don't read one side into this !

I agree 100% fella..they're all a bunch of $hits...
TBH...I think the only geezer who lies less than the rest is Nigel Farage.

 

[TheCasual]

In 2010 Chancellor of the Exchequer Alastair Darling already had a plan in action for balancing the books, just not as quickly as Osborne chose to do. It was already working. Osborne chose to break it.

The reason for the debt was that Brown bailed out the banks after the failure of free-market capitalism. In parliament, Cameron and Osborne both voted to use public money to rescue the banks, something they failed to mention in the 2010 election campaign.

Brown/Darling used a Keynesian style stimulus to boost the economy which was working.

Cameron and Osborne conned people thinking that the economy was like a household budget.

 

[TheCasual]

I'm curious as to why her party is floundering so badly then?

They're not really.

A 7 point lead after 15 years in power. In a PR voting system which embraces coalitions is pretty good.

Second are the Green party which are obviously a left wing party.

 

[Ric Glasgow]

I think a key factor is that the proportional representation method of electing MPs is a large factor here, a non-2 party system allows for greater fluctuation in representation and makes it harder for a single or 2 parties to dominate. Worth noting they are still in power though.

Yes by the skin of their teeth and Merkel will be history shortly.The right wing parties all over Europe are surging and immigration policies seem to be a key issue.

 

[Edelman]

Brown/Darling used a Keynesian style stimulus to boost the economy which was working.

Cameron and Osborne conned people thinking that the economy was like a household budget.

This is true but the worldwide financial crisis of 2007/08 played into their hands !

 

[The B&S Fanclub]

Brown/Darling used a Keynesian style stimulus to boost the economy which was working.

Alastair Darling was once on the same plane as me from Heathrow to Dulles. He was in 1st class, I was in economy. He got through US immigration far quicker than me! Gawd, he's got thick eyebrows. Like a pair of caterpillars they are.

 

[TheCasual]

This is true but the worldwide financial crisis of 2007/08 played into their hands !

Have read Naomi Kleins book the Shock Doctrine?

The Financial crash was used as a shock doctrine.

 

[TheCasual]

Alastair Darling was once on the same plane as me from Heathrow to Dulles. He was in 1st class, I was in economy. He got through US immigration far quicker than me! Gawd, he's got thick eyebrows. Like a pair of caterpillars they are.

He does have a look of a character from Thunder Birds.

 

[Edelman]

Have read Naomi Kleins book the Shock Doctrine?

The Financial crash was used as a shock doctrine.

In it together was the message wasn't it ?
Can't say I've noticed the likes of Cameron, Rees Mogg etc in anything other than capitalistic self interest .